Is Gravity a Fictitious Force Only Valid in Quantum Physics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the nature of gravity, specifically whether it is a fictitious force and if this characterization is applicable only in the context of quantum physics. Participants explore various theoretical perspectives, including general relativity and emergent gravity concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about why gravity is considered a fictitious force and questions its validity in quantum physics.
  • Another participant asserts that, according to general relativity, gravity is associated with the curvature of spacetime and is not fictitious in either classical or quantum physics.
  • A participant introduces the concept of entropic force as proposed by Verlinde, suggesting that gravity may be an emergent phenomenon arising from quantum gravity and the gradient of information.
  • There is a critique of the idea of "quantum gravity," with a participant suggesting that proponents of this concept may not fully grasp general relativity, implying that their reliance on a particle-based explanation (graviton) reflects a misunderstanding of gravity's nature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the characterization of gravity, with some arguing it is not fictitious while others suggest it may be viewed as such in certain contexts. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of fictitious forces and the assumptions underlying the emergent gravity concept. The relationship between classical and quantum physics in the context of gravity is also not fully explored.

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I'm really confused on this concept. Why is gravity considered a fictitious force and is it true that this concept is only valid in quantum physics?

Thanks.
 
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According to general theory of relativity, gravity is to be identified with the curvature of spacetime. It's not fictitious in either of classical & quantum physics.
 
Eynstone said:
According to general theory of relativity, gravity is to be identified with the curvature of spacetime. It's not fictitious in either of classical & quantum physics.

Probably he was asking about the recently famous entropic force.
This was proposed by Verlinde, you could easily download it from Arxiv.
I don't understand it much, but there are plenty of papers after Verlinde's first paper.
But, basically, it states that gravity is an emergent phenomena due to the gradient of information caused by quantum gravity.
It seems to be easy to write a paper by entropic force idea but to be hard to understand it.
 
ismaili said:
Probably he was asking about the recently famous entropic force.
This was proposed by Verlinde, you could easily download it from Arxiv.
I don't understand it much, but there are plenty of papers after Verlinde's first paper.
But, basically, it states that gravity is an emergent phenomena due to the gradient of information caused by quantum gravity.
It seems to be easy to write a paper by entropic force idea but to be hard to understand it.

Concepts such as "quantum gravity" are generated by people who just don't understand General Relativity. Sure, they'll cite the Standard Model, but the reality is that they just can't contemplate a force as being something other than non-Newtonian. What otehr reason is there for the Graviton? Relativity escapes such people, thus they must rely on the Newtonian idea of an 'action/reaction' explanation for gravity, so an action/reaction particle (graviton) is born.
 

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