Is mechanics considered part of physics?

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The discussion revolves around whether mechanics is considered a part of physics, exploring various perspectives on the relationship between mechanical engineering and physics. Participants touch on topics such as classical mechanics, quantum mechanics, and the educational context of mechanics in physics curricula.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant reflects on personal experiences with mechanics problems and suggests that discrimination against mechanical engineers may affect the response rate to mechanics questions in forums.
  • Another participant questions the definition of mechanics, noting that some areas, like quantum mechanics, may not be familiar to mechanical engineers.
  • A participant mentions a specific book on mechanics, indicating a focus on classical mechanics and strength of materials.
  • There is a claim that mathematicians view classical mechanics as a mathematical topic, while physicists emphasize its physical nature due to the associated units of measurement.
  • One participant asserts that physics encompasses all areas, including mechanics, and reduces to basic mechanical relationships.
  • Another participant agrees that classical mechanics is part of physics and highlights its inclusion in undergraduate physics education, while also noting the applied nature of mechanics in engineering.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between mechanics and physics, with some asserting that mechanics is fundamentally part of physics, while others highlight distinctions between the two fields. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express frustration with the quality of discussions in the forum, and there are references to personal biases and experiences that may influence opinions on mechanics and engineering.

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Now I am struggling with some very simple mechanical problems. This brings back some fond memories from university.
We considered mechanical engineers a bunch of ... ehrm ... simple guys who drink too much. Maybe because we could not keep up with them. We have tried very hard, believe me.
A famous adage of the time originated from one of our mechanical engineering teachers. He was struggling an hour with a simple slope problem, and after we helped a bit, he came out with a result, and said: "When you encounter a serious problem in mechanics, leave it to a qualified mechanical engineer."

Well, I know that this kind of discrimination is a huge mistake. This kind of thinking has lead to deaths of millions in nazi concentration camps.
What I have noticed is that questions in the area of mechanics got answered more hardly in the homework forums than others. I find it nearly as devastating as WWII. There might be a number of reasons for this, but the one I have came up with says that this is due to the discrimination people in this area receive.
 
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Well, I thought simply asking "why mechanics questions get so hardly answered" would be boring.
And I read in the guidelines that one should show the attempt of solution.
I realize that my sense of humour maybe not the usual type, I hope I did not offend anyone.
 
My thought is, what do you mean by mechanics? There are things in physics that we call "mechanics" that I imagine most mechanical engineers would be pretty clueless about. Like quantum mechanics.
 
It seems you have never met a quantum engineer.
 
I must say, I am honestly about ->||<- close from canceling my PF account because I am tired of all these nonsense thread/posts lately.
 
Yes mechanics is a beautiful part of physics. Materials are the cause of headaches.
 
Cyrus, sorry about that. I placed it into General Discussion because I felt it is not about physics as such.
I will try not to write any more nonsense.
 
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Mathematicians consider classical mechanics a mathematical, not physical topic. Indeed it seems like it because the study of Lagrangian, Hamiltonian, and Dynamical Systems in general systems requires a lot of sophisticated math(everything from differential geometry to fractals).

However, mathematicians don't realize that there is a unit and dimension attached to time and space([T] and [L]) as well as one to mass([M]) which makes it a physical subject.
(math=physics-units)
 
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Pinu7 said:
(math=physics-units)
For physicists : c=1
[L]=[T]=[E]^-1=[M]^-1
 
  • #12
Wow, Godwin's law invoked by the OP's opening gambit.
 
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Physics is mechanics! Classical, Quantum, Relativistic, Electrodynamics, Electronics, etc. - - - it all reduces to basic mechanical relationships and laws.

KM
 
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1. Your post is very difficult to understand.
2. Yes classical mechanics is a part of physics. Any undergrad physics education will include 2 semesters of upper division mechanics. Usually the specific topics in the book you posted covered more intensely by mechanical engineers. But they are still physics.
3. I do not understand where you get your ideas about mechanical engineers. It is applied mechanics, very similar to physics. Just more biased towards numerical solutions and commercial applications. My old man is an ME and can solve any mechanics/fluid/thermodynamics problem you can think of.
4. Nazis?
 

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