Is physics being recorded in any really hard-to-destroy way?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the preservation of scientific knowledge and the durability of its recording methods. Participants explore the potential risks of losing accumulated knowledge due to natural disasters and question whether more permanent recording methods exist or should be developed, drawing comparisons to archaeological findings that have survived for millennia.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that current methods of recording knowledge, such as paper and digital storage, are too fragile and could be lost in a disaster.
  • There is a suggestion that a committee should consider creating more durable records, similar to archaeological artifacts, to ensure the longevity of scientific knowledge.
  • One participant mentions the challenge of language barriers for future civilizations and proposes that diagrams could help convey knowledge across different languages.
  • Another participant references the book "A Canticle for Leibowitz," noting its themes about the fragility of knowledge and society, but does not provide specific details about its content.
  • Some argue that the best way to ensure the longevity of information is through making numerous backups, suggesting that the widespread distribution of knowledge mitigates the risk of total loss.
  • There is a viewpoint that in the event of a global cataclysm, the loss of scientific information would be a lesser concern compared to the survival of basic societal functions and tools.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness of current knowledge preservation methods, with some advocating for more durable solutions while others emphasize the importance of backups. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to ensure the longevity of scientific knowledge.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether more permanent recording methods are currently being implemented or if they should be pursued. The discussion also highlights the limitations of existing methods without resolving the implications of potential global disasters on knowledge preservation.

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In recent centuries a relative handful of brilliant people have devoted their lives to figuring out some very difficult things and developing some ingenious tools to do so along the way. However, as far as I know, the only places this work has been recorded is on things that are easily destroyed - paper, hard-drives and human brains. None of those things will stand the test of time. One natural disaster and all this progress could be wiped out in one fell swoop (which is obviously not unprecedented), leaving future civilizations having to rediscover things from scratch.

Then you look at what archaeologists have found that have taught us about the past, stuff that has lasted tens of thousands of years. Stuff made out of much more durable materials. Shouldn't some committee be looking to make a more permanent record in the same way? Or is this being done already?

I'm aware that a future civilization might not speak any language that exists today, but perhaps that could be overcome, if a language/alphabet came with diagrams of how to form certain sounds with your mouth or something. What do you think?
 
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Doofy said:
In recent centuries a relative handful of brilliant people have devoted their lives to figuring out some very difficult things and developing some ingenious tools to do so along the way. However, as far as I know, the only places this work has been recorded is on things that are easily destroyed - paper, hard-drives and human brains. None of those things will stand the test of time. One natural disaster and all this progress could be wiped out in one fell swoop (which is obviously not unprecedented), leaving future civilizations having to rediscover things from scratch.

Then you look at what archaeologists have found that have taught us about the past, stuff that has lasted tens of thousands of years. Stuff made out of much more durable materials. Shouldn't some committee be looking to make a more permanent record in the same way? Or is this being done already?

I'm aware that a future civilization might not speak any language that exists today, but perhaps that could be overcome, if a language/alphabet came with diagrams of how to form certain sounds with your mouth or something. What do you think?

If you haven't read it already, "A Canticle for Leibowitz" is a really imaginitive rendering of the problem of preserving knowledge.
 
I haven't read it, no. What does it suggest and is it happening?
 
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I haven't read it, no. What does it suggest and is it happening?

It is cold-war era science fiction. Happily, the world that it imagined never came to pass, but it deals with the fragility of knowledge and society in an interesting way.
 
The best way to ensure longevity of information is to make backups. Since all of the important ideas have thousands or millions of copies, residing all over the globe, that's about as well as the longevity can be assured. If a global cataclysm wiped-out all of that information, the loss of that information would be way down on our list of problems.
 
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If a global cataclysm wiped-out all of that information, the loss of that information would be way down on our list of problems.
The information how to make various tools, chemicals and other things with basic equipment or leftover equipment of our civilization would certainly be interesting.
Recent publications do not help there, of course - no one cares about the mass of a Higgs boson if you want to make steel tools from scratch.
 

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