Is Relativity Denial Still Prevalent in Science Forums?

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The discussion revolves around the prevalence of relativity denial within science forums, particularly focusing on arguments against Einstein's theories of Special Relativity (SR) and General Relativity (GR). Participants explore the motivations behind such denial, the nature of the arguments presented, and the experiences of forum members with individuals who reject these theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that claims of an "Einstein Conspiracy" arise periodically, suggesting that some believe the scientific community is suppressing evidence of Einstein's errors.
  • One participant expresses frustration with individuals who claim to have disproven Einstein using basic mathematics, questioning their lack of experimental evidence and financial backing for their claims.
  • Another participant mentions that many who reject relativity do not engage with complex concepts like Mach's principle, indicating a lack of depth in their arguments.
  • There are references to past experiences with individuals who have attempted to publish anti-relativity works, highlighting the challenges faced by academics in addressing such claims.
  • Some participants express a sense of relief that certain individuals have rejected SR, suggesting it simplifies discussions about relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that relativity denial exists and that many arguments against relativity lack depth. However, there is no consensus on the validity of the claims made by those who deny relativity, nor on the motivations behind such denial.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions reference specific individuals and their claims without providing detailed evaluations of those claims. The conversation reflects a mix of anecdotal experiences and broader observations about the community's engagement with relativity denial.

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hutchphd said:
It is indeed sad.
)) The good news is that physics (works or doesn't) whether you believe some ignoramus or not The rest is sound and fury.

Remember Feynman:: "Science is the belief in the belief in the ignorance of experts""
Emil Rupp? Cold fusion? The Bogdanovs?

String Theory? (KIDDING!! I'M KIDDING!!)

Fun fact:
Every couple of years or so somebody comes on PHF and tries to convince everyone of the "Einstein Conspiracy." Apparently, Einstein was grievously incorrect about SR and GR, but the Scientific community has decided to bury that fact. (I've never been able to get out of them the reason why.) I used to argue with them about how ridiculous this argument is. Now I simply do the following:
1. I mention that my life would be a lot easier if Einstein were indeed wrong because then I wouldn't have to try to answer questions from "arm-chair Physicists" fresh out of High School that have proven Einstein wrong using High School level Mathematics, and not even Physics.

(1a. I used to ask them to prove it by doing an experiment of their own, but they always say they that don't have enough money and that no one will listen to them.)

2. I ask them why I'm not getting paid to promote this conspiracy. Good conspiracies are hard work. I want fair compensation!

3. I lock the thread.

4. I ban them! (Yippee!)

-Dan
 
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topsquark said:
Emil Rupp? Cold fusion? The Bogdanovs?

String Theory? (KIDDING!! I'M KIDDING!!)

Fun fact:
Every couple of years or so somebody comes on PHF and tries to convince everyone of the "Einstein Conspiracy." Apparently, Einstein was grievously incorrect about SR and GR, but the Scientific community has decided to bury that fact. (I've never been able to get out of them the reason why.) I used to argue with them about how ridiculous this argument is. Now I simply do the following:
1. I mention that my life would be a lot easier if Einstein were indeed wrong because then I wouldn't have to try to answer questions from "arm-chair Physicists" fresh out of High School that have proven Einstein wrong using High School level Mathematics, and not even Physics.

(1a. I used to ask them to prove it by doing an experiment of their own, but they always say they that don't have enough money and that no one will listen to them.)

2. I ask them why I'm not getting paid to promote this conspiracy. Good conspiracies are hard work. I want fair compensation!

3. I lock the thread.

4. I ban them! (Yippee!)

-Dan
Those arguing that relativity is incorrect. Does any of their argumentation have to do with whether GR adequately incorporates or otherwise addresses Mach's principle?
 
eclars said:
Those arguing that relativity is incorrect. Does any of their argumentation have to do with whether GR adequately incorporates or otherwise addresses Mach's principle?
I don’t know about @topsquark’s relativity deniers, but we here at PhysicsForums have met and banned a fair sample of our own.

The overwhelming majority don’t get anywhere near arcana such as Mach’s principle and GR. They’ve already rejected special relativity.
 
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Nugatory said:
They’ve already rejected special relativity.
And some of them have rejected algebra too.
 
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Nugatory said:
They’ve already rejected special relativity.
Be thankful for that. It makes thing easier, I believe. Who is not clear that SR is just barely an appetizer and would never be able to stand alone is just not fit to discuss the real thing at all.
 
Rive said:
Be thankful for that. It makes thing easier, I believe.

Well, we had one guy in Warsaw, who has a phd in computer science and wrote anti-relativity book (SR that is), and wanted to make a habilitation in relativity on Warsaw University. And the whole formal process started, our professors had to write a reviews, etc. Took a lot of effort of 'innocent' people, but of course it was dismissed. It was fun reading those reviews, though :oldbiggrin:
 
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