Is Relativity Denial Still Prevalent in Science Forums?

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The discussion centers on the persistence of relativity denial within scientific forums, particularly the Physics Forums (PHF). Participants highlight the absurdity of claims against Einstein's theories of Special Relativity (SR) and General Relativity (GR), often made by individuals lacking foundational knowledge in physics and mathematics. The conversation also touches on the dismissal of anti-relativity arguments, including those from individuals with advanced degrees, such as a PhD in computer science. Ultimately, the community emphasizes the importance of maintaining scientific rigor and the challenges posed by misinformation.

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hutchphd said:
It is indeed sad.
)) The good news is that physics (works or doesn't) whether you believe some ignoramus or not The rest is sound and fury.

Remember Feynman:: "Science is the belief in the belief in the ignorance of experts""
Emil Rupp? Cold fusion? The Bogdanovs?

String Theory? (KIDDING!! I'M KIDDING!!)

Fun fact:
Every couple of years or so somebody comes on PHF and tries to convince everyone of the "Einstein Conspiracy." Apparently, Einstein was grievously incorrect about SR and GR, but the Scientific community has decided to bury that fact. (I've never been able to get out of them the reason why.) I used to argue with them about how ridiculous this argument is. Now I simply do the following:
1. I mention that my life would be a lot easier if Einstein were indeed wrong because then I wouldn't have to try to answer questions from "arm-chair Physicists" fresh out of High School that have proven Einstein wrong using High School level Mathematics, and not even Physics.

(1a. I used to ask them to prove it by doing an experiment of their own, but they always say they that don't have enough money and that no one will listen to them.)

2. I ask them why I'm not getting paid to promote this conspiracy. Good conspiracies are hard work. I want fair compensation!

3. I lock the thread.

4. I ban them! (Yippee!)

-Dan
 
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topsquark said:
Emil Rupp? Cold fusion? The Bogdanovs?

String Theory? (KIDDING!! I'M KIDDING!!)

Fun fact:
Every couple of years or so somebody comes on PHF and tries to convince everyone of the "Einstein Conspiracy." Apparently, Einstein was grievously incorrect about SR and GR, but the Scientific community has decided to bury that fact. (I've never been able to get out of them the reason why.) I used to argue with them about how ridiculous this argument is. Now I simply do the following:
1. I mention that my life would be a lot easier if Einstein were indeed wrong because then I wouldn't have to try to answer questions from "arm-chair Physicists" fresh out of High School that have proven Einstein wrong using High School level Mathematics, and not even Physics.

(1a. I used to ask them to prove it by doing an experiment of their own, but they always say they that don't have enough money and that no one will listen to them.)

2. I ask them why I'm not getting paid to promote this conspiracy. Good conspiracies are hard work. I want fair compensation!

3. I lock the thread.

4. I ban them! (Yippee!)

-Dan
Those arguing that relativity is incorrect. Does any of their argumentation have to do with whether GR adequately incorporates or otherwise addresses Mach's principle?
 
eclars said:
Those arguing that relativity is incorrect. Does any of their argumentation have to do with whether GR adequately incorporates or otherwise addresses Mach's principle?
I don’t know about @topsquark’s relativity deniers, but we here at PhysicsForums have met and banned a fair sample of our own.

The overwhelming majority don’t get anywhere near arcana such as Mach’s principle and GR. They’ve already rejected special relativity.
 
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Nugatory said:
They’ve already rejected special relativity.
And some of them have rejected algebra too.
 
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Nugatory said:
They’ve already rejected special relativity.
Be thankful for that. It makes thing easier, I believe. Who is not clear that SR is just barely an appetizer and would never be able to stand alone is just not fit to discuss the real thing at all.
 
Rive said:
Be thankful for that. It makes thing easier, I believe.

Well, we had one guy in Warsaw, who has a phd in computer science and wrote anti-relativity book (SR that is), and wanted to make a habilitation in relativity on Warsaw University. And the whole formal process started, our professors had to write a reviews, etc. Took a lot of effort of 'innocent' people, but of course it was dismissed. It was fun reading those reviews, though :oldbiggrin:
 
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