Is the Discussion on Gravitomagnetic Moments in London Misleading?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of gravitomagnetic moments, particularly in relation to claims of anti-gravity and the implications of certain experimental findings. Participants explore theoretical aspects, potential applications in propulsion, and the interpretation of related literature.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express interest in the potential for gravitomagnetic moments to change mass or generate anti-gravity fields, suggesting applications in propulsion and artificial gravity.
  • Others argue that the discussed concepts do not imply anti-gravity and emphasize that the experiments do not change the rest mass of the system.
  • There is confusion regarding the term "star-shift motor," with some participants seeking clarification and others stating they cannot find references to it.
  • Concerns are raised about the quality of sources provided, with some participants questioning the validity of a blog as a reference and emphasizing the importance of credible literature.
  • Participants challenge each other's interpretations of the literature, particularly regarding the nature of gravitational fields and whether they can decrease gravity or create anti-gravity effects.
  • Some participants express frustration over language barriers and the difficulty in communicating their points effectively.

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Participants generally disagree on the implications of gravitomagnetic moments, particularly regarding anti-gravity. There is no consensus on the interpretations of the literature or the validity of the claims made about the technology discussed.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings due to language barriers, differing interpretations of scientific literature, and the reliance on sources that may not be universally accepted within the community.

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What about it?

Is there a specific part you would like someone to discuss?
 
Yes I am veri inetresting about this thing because it can change mass and mybe generate
atntigraviti field.

propulsion star shif or artifishl gravity or more and more.

Have evrione some think about it.

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There was nothing anti-gravitational about it.

It can't change mass.

I don't know what this star-shif motor is.

Please take more care with your English. I understand it may not be your first language, but it is very difficult to read your posts.
 
Are you sure becouse if this experiments is from ESA I think it is serios.
 
The content of the paper specifically does not mention anti-gravity (nor imply it) and it doesn't change rest-mass of the system.

I still don't know what this star-shif motor is.

You have taken a random paper on a subject and used it to imply certain things, such as anti-gravity.

Anti-gravity is nothing to do with creating artificial gravity. It is the opposite.
 
Again, please be careful of the English. It is difficult to read.

I don't know why you've provided the first link and the second one is to a blog which isn't an acceptable source. I've never said the research is wrong, I don't need you to back that up. I'm just responding to comments made by yourself regarding assumptions based on the article.

Producing a gravity field doesn't decrease gravity. You may be able to use it to that effect, but it isn't anti-gravity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-gravity).

I can find no reference to a "space shift motor" anywhere. Can you provide a source?
 
I don't thing this moment moment is anti gravity I stil think this is special field that can
decreasse gravity.

this motor is "stellar motor boats" and "and the second one is to a blog which isn't an acceptable source" it is ap to you.
 
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jaiii said:
I don't thing this moment moment is anti gravity I stil think this is special field that can decreasse gravity.

It doesn't decrease gravity. Please show me anywhere in the text where it implies this device can decrease gravity.

It creates a gravitational field. Period. Yes, you could use it to cancel out the Earth's gravitational field (in much the same way the moon does), but it does not reduce gravity and it isn't an anti-gravity device.
this motor is "stellar motor boats"

I still can't find it. Can you please provide a link.
"and the second one is to a blog which isn't an acceptable source" it is ap to you.

No, these are the rules of PF.
 
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IF this gravitomagnetic London moment is again rule of this forum I must unsubscribe from this forum .
This motor is " spacecraft propulsion" from your article anti-gravity-Wiky... fro your article. But this is your article an your opinion.I don't send any article abot anti-gravity.

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IF this gravitomagnetic London moment is again rule of this forum I must unsubscribe from this forum .

The topic isn't against forum rules, the evidence (the blog) to support your topic was.
This motor is " spacecraft propulsion" from your article anti-gravity-Wiky... fro your article.

I suggest you re-read the article. I posted it to prove to you that this device is not an anti-gravity device. Ergo, it has not bearing on the matter of anti-gravity. Period.
But this is your article an your opinion.I don't send any article abot anti-gravity.

You brought it up. I explained why it isn't AG. The article was simply to help demonstrate this point.

There is a definite language barrier here. I'm not sure further discussion with myself is going to help as I'm having difficulty reading your posts.
 

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