Gravitomagnetism & Gravitational Waves

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the relationship between gravitomagnetism and gravitational waves, exploring the mathematical similarities and differences between the two concepts. Participants examine the implications of gravitomagnetism as an approximation of general relativity and its applicability to gravitational wave phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the linearized Einstein equations resemble Maxwell's equations, suggesting a mathematical analogy between gravitomagnetism and electromagnetism.
  • Another participant points out that gravitomagnetism applies only in the weak field limit of general relativity and does not extend to gravitational waves.
  • A participant questions the nature of radiation described by the gravitomagnetic equations, asking what it could be if it is not gravitational waves and whether it has been observed.
  • There is a reiteration that while a wave equation arises from the gravitomagnetic equations, it is fundamentally different from the equations governing gravitational waves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of gravitomagnetism for gravitational waves, with some asserting that they are distinct phenomena while others explore the potential connections. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of the radiation described by the gravitomagnetic equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the applicability of gravitomagnetism is limited to certain physical conditions, and there is uncertainty regarding the characteristics of the radiation described by the wave equations derived from gravitomagnetism.

Marin
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Hi all!

I was browsing Wikipedia when I came upon the following article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitomagnetism

It seems here they state a form of the complete linearized Einstein equations that resembles very much (or is mathematically identical to that of) Maxwell's equations, which are clearly linear.

However, it seems to me that this is inconsistent with the theory of gravitational waves, for the following reason:

It is a fact that from Maxwell's eqn's a wave eqn arises, EM waves being a consequence of accelerated charge. Mathematically /please, correct me, if I'm wrong/ it is the 1st time derivative of the dipole moment of the charge distribution that is responsible for the EM radiation, whereas it's power is proportional to the second time derivative of the charge distribution.

Unlike in EM, G waves arise from the 2nd time derivative of the transverse traceless part of the quadrupole moment of the energy/mass distribution. The power going like the 3rd derivative of it. So it turns out we need the rate of change of the acceleration for them.

Since the mathematics of gravitomagnetism seems pretty much the same as this of electromagnetism, I suspect the corresponding radiation has to also possesses the same mathematical characteristics which looks like a contradiction to the theory of G waves...


So, what do you think of it?

PS: I probably overlook something, since there are various papers listed in the references, but what is it?
 
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The first sentence of the article answers most of your questions:
"Gravitomagnetism ... refers to a set of formal analogies between Maxwell's field equations and an approximation, valid under certain conditions, to the Einstein field equations for general relativity."
GEM can be applied to the weak field limit of GR, and thus understandably doesn't apply to gravitational waves.
 
Ok, so suppose the gravitomagnetic eqn's, as stated in the article, are a valid approximation under some physical conditions, whatever they may be.

There's still a wave equation arising from them, which accounts for the description of radiation in this particular limit.

Clearly, it's not gravitational waves, so what can it be? Is it observed at all?
 
Marin said:
Ok, so suppose the gravitomagnetic eqn's, as stated in the article, are a valid approximation under some physical conditions, whatever they may be.

There's still a wave equation arising from them, which accounts for the description of radiation in this particular limit.

Clearly, it's not gravitational waves, so what can it be? Is it observed at all?

Wave equation, and "gravitational waves" are apples and oranges.
 

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