BillTre said:The Trump administration says the EPA was using too much science in Obama's Clean Water Act rules.
Almost:Vanadium 50 said:I challenge you to find a sourced statement from someone in the Trump administration who uses the words "too much science"
This is pure rhetoric, because there is rarely a taped and signed record. So the request for such a source is meaningless as it cannot be fulfilled. Unfortunately this does not imply it is wrong. And to ignore the obvious isn't helpful either.Vanadium 50 said:Again, I don't see anyone from the Trump administration saying "too much science". Please point me to that. Not spin from an opponent of Trump, but what the administration said.
As far as I'm concerned, and probably the same for V50, it doesn't have to be taped and signed. A citation such as the one you gave before would satisfy me, but it has to be a quote from someone in the current administration, not in the previous administration.fresh_42 said:This is pure rhetoric, because there is rarely a taped and signed record.
No, the request isn't meaningless, as I've described above.fresh_42 said:So the request for such a source is meaningless as it cannot be fulfilled. Unfortunately this does not imply it is wrong. And to ignore the obvious isn't helpful either.
In my opinion the words "[anyone] says..." need to be followed by a direct quote otherwise it is putting words in their mouth they didn't say.fresh_42 said:It isn't the wording, but opinion, meaning and consequences are essentially the same...
Well, I haven't used the word anyone, nor did I quote "too much science". But in the interview I did quote, there is someone from the Trump administration basically claiming ##CO_2## is irrelevant. This is not different from saying the Earth is flat, and thus opposing current science. So I think it serves the cause. But I'm seemingly in a political minefield, and this is a place I don't want to be. I just thought I could provide a link to the debate (the first one) as something which is more than "spin". The fact that someone from the Obama administration said it, doesn't make it wrong. However, the link had been rejected, so I sought another one with an authentic similar statement.russ_watters said:In my opinion the words "[anyone] says..." need to be followed by a direct quote otherwise it is putting words in their mouth they didn't say.
fresh_42 said:It isn't the wording, but opinion, meaning and consequences are essentially the same
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is responsible for protecting human health and the environment by setting and enforcing regulations based on scientific research. Having too much science in EPA means that the agency is relying heavily on scientific evidence to make decisions and policies, which can have a major impact on industries, communities, and individuals.
Having too much science in EPA can lead to stricter regulations and standards, which can increase the cost of compliance for industries. This can result in higher prices for consumers and potentially affect the economy. However, it can also spur innovation and the development of new, more environmentally friendly technologies.
While relying on sound scientific evidence is important for protecting public health and the environment, there can be downsides to having too much science in EPA. This can include delays in decision-making, increased regulatory burden on industries, and potential conflicts between scientific evidence and political agendas.
The EPA follows a rigorous process for evaluating scientific evidence, including peer review and public comment periods. The agency also has a Scientific Integrity Policy that outlines standards for transparency, quality, and independence in its use of science.
Finding a balance between science and other factors, such as economic considerations and public opinion, is a difficult but necessary task for the EPA. The agency strives to incorporate multiple perspectives and consider all available information when making decisions, while still prioritizing the protection of human health and the environment based on the best available science.