Is the Laplacian of a Function Simply the Trace of its Hessian Matrix?

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The discussion centers around the relationship between the Laplacian of a function and the trace of its Hessian matrix, exploring whether this relationship holds in various coordinate systems and contexts, particularly in the realm of tensors and differential geometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the Laplacian of a function is equivalent to the trace of its Hessian matrix.
  • Another participant counters this by stating that the relationship does not hold in curvilinear coordinates.
  • A question is raised regarding the definition of the Hessian as a tensor and whether the trace is defined for such tensors, particularly in nonlinear coordinate systems.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding and confirms that a Hessian tensor can be defined, and the Laplacian can indeed be considered as its trace.
  • Further discussion involves the definition of the trace for arbitrary tensors and how it relates to elements with identical indices, especially for tensors of rank greater than two.
  • Another participant explains that tensor traces are computed by contracting indices with the metric tensor, providing examples involving the Ricci tensor and scalar curvature.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the Laplacian being the trace of the Hessian in various contexts, indicating that multiple competing views remain unresolved.

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The discussion highlights limitations regarding the applicability of the Laplacian and Hessian relationship in different coordinate systems and the complexities involved in defining traces for tensors.

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Stupid thing I noticed today:

\nabla^2 U=tr(H(U))

Or, in other words, the Laplacian of a function is just the trace of its Hessian matrix. Whoop-de-frickin do, right? Is this useful knowledge or should I forget it immediately?


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This is not true in curvilinear coordinates.
 
But then isn't the 'Hessian' a tensor with co/contravariant components? is the trace even defined for tensors like that? And how is a differential operator like \nabla^2 even defined in a nonlinear coordinate system? (Genuine questions, I'm just starting to learn tensors and differential geometry and whatnot...)
 
okay, cool. thanks!

would the trace of an arbitrary tensor be \sum_{i}{A_{ii...i}} i.e. summing over the elements of the tensor with identical indicies? For tensors rank>2 'diagonal' is sort of vague, or does 'diagonal' always mean 'elements with the same index'? I guess this doesn't have anything to do with the original question...thanks again Ben!
 
Tensor traces are taken by contracting any two indices with the metric tensor. The result will be a tensor whose rank has been reduced by 2. For example, the Ricci tensor is the trace of the Riemann tensor on the 1st and 3rd indices:

R_{bd} = g^{ac} R_{abcd}

and then the scalar curvature is the trace of the Ricci tensor, or the double trace of the Riemann tensor:

R = g^{bd} R_{bd} = g^{ac} g^{bd} R_{abcd}.

In flat space, the metric tensor is just the identity matrix, so this reduces to the more familiar definition of the trace.
 

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