Is the Red Square Nebula MWC 922 Really a Hypercube?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the Red Square Nebula MWC 922, with participants exploring whether its structure resembles a hypercube or tesseract, as opposed to the commonly accepted explanation of it being ejecta from two cones viewed edgewise. The conversation includes comparisons to similar nebulae and delves into the implications of various structural interpretations.

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  • One participant expresses skepticism about the explanation of MWC 922 as ejecta from two cones, suggesting it resembles a hypercube instead.
  • Another participant notes the existence of a similar object, the Red Rectangle nebula, and provides its coordinates for comparison.
  • A participant supports the edge-on view explanation but raises questions about the internal angle of the ejecta cones, which appears unusually wide.
  • Concerns are raised about the flat ends of the cones, questioning the mechanics of such a formation and whether it could be hollow or if the outer edges are moving faster than the center.
  • Discussion includes the binary nature of the central system of the Red Rectangle nebula, suggesting it may explain the differences observed in MWC 922.
  • Another participant references an article discussing a torus structure, questioning whether this would lead to curved sides if the structure were indeed a torus viewed edgewise.
  • A later reply proposes that the structure could be a hollow cone formed by jets, challenging the assumption that the inner volume must be filled.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of MWC 922, with multiple competing views regarding its structure and formation mechanisms remaining unresolved.

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Participants highlight various assumptions about the geometry and dynamics of the nebula, including the implications of a hollow versus filled cone structure, and the role of binary stars in nebula formation, which remain open to interpretation.

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http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070416.html
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070416.html

Found this yesterday on dailygalaxy.com. explanation given is that this is ejecta of two cones from a central star, seen edgewise. I am not convinced by that explanation for several reasons. My first thought was that this looks remarkably like a hypercube or tesseract. I would be interested in hearing what other members of this forum think.

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070416.html
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070416.html
 
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further web search, there is a similar object, The Red Rectangle nebula, HD 44179, very close, I think, to the directly opposite side of the sky. Simbad shows HD 44179 at right ascension 18:21:15.94 declination -10:39, and MWC 922 at right ascension 06:20.0 declination -13:01:27.1
 
The edge on view sounds like a logical explanation to me.
 
You have to look at the pictures. If this is two ejecta cones, there are some unanswered questions. Notice that the ejecta cones are spreading out at an internal angle of 90 degrees. I have seen no other ejecta spread like that. What kind of ejection can result in such a wide spread? Also, notice that the end of the cone is flat...so, either the cone is hollow (just try to explain that one) or else the outer edges of the cone are moving faster than the central material. If this really is an ejecta cone, the ends should be curved.
 
Well, I note that, while most articles do not mention it, the central system seems to be a close binary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Rectangle_Nebula#Characteristics
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-bib_query?bibcode=2002A&A...393..867M

That could explain why this looks different from most other nebulae.

The bright component of the spectroscopic binary HD 44179 is a post-AGB star with mass M\star ~ 0.57 Msun, luminosity L\star ~ 6000 Lsun, and effective temperature T\star ~ 7750 K. Based on the orbital elements of the binary, we identify its invisible component with a helium white dwarf with MWD ~ 0.35 Msun, LWD ~ 100 Lsun, and TWD ~ 6 x 104 K. The hot white dwarf ionizes the low-density bipolar outflow cavities inside the dense torus, producing a small H II region observed at radio wavelengths. We propose an evolutionary scenario for the formation of the Red Rectangle nebula, in which the binary initially had 2.3 and 1.9 Msun components at a separation of ~ 130 Rsun. The nebula was formed in the ejection of a common envelope after Roche lobe overflow by the present post-AGB star.
 
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yes, that is an excellent article, and thanks for the lead. I was interested in the torus explanation, which seems to me to attempt to answer the flat-ended cone question. However, if the structure were a torus on edge, would not the evacuated cones sides appear curved?
 
Your idea that the outer edges must be curved assumes that the inner volume between the spikes must be filled .i.e. a volumetric cone. If the cone instead is empty, then there is no surface to be curved; we are seeing simply the surface of a hollow cone.

An empty cone would occur formed if the structure is formed by two opposite jets, off the centre of rotation, sweeping out a circle.
 

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