Is the Set of Non-Negative Integers Formed by $a-dx$ Always Nonempty?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether the set of non-negative integers of the form $a-dx$ (where $a, d, x \in \mathbb{Z}$ and $d \ge 1$) is always nonempty. Participants explore the implications of the conditions on $a$ and $d$, as well as the motivations behind the proof related to the division algorithm.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a proof that if $a \ge 0$, then $a$ is in the set $S$, and if $a < 0$, then for sufficiently large positive integers $y$, $a + dy$ is also in $S$.
  • Another participant questions whether $x$ can be negative, providing an example where $a = -1,000,000$ and $d = 2$, suggesting $x < -500,000$ suffices.
  • A subsequent reply clarifies that $x \le -500,000$ would also work for ensuring non-negativity.
  • Further discussion includes a request for motivation behind the set $S$, leading to an explanation of the division algorithm and the significance of finding a non-negative remainder.
  • A participant elaborates on the process of finding a "best remainder" and connects it to the well-ordering principle of non-empty sets of non-negative integers.

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Participants express varying understandings of the conditions under which the set $S$ is nonempty, with some agreeing on the implications of negative values for $x$, while others explore the motivations and applications of the set in the context of the division algorithm. No consensus is reached on the broader implications of the proof.

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The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding the conditions for $x$ and the implications of the proof, as well as the dependence on definitions related to the division algorithm and non-negative integers.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying number theory, particularly in relation to the division algorithm, as well as individuals exploring properties of integer sets and their applications in proofs.

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My question concerns proving the set of non-negative integers of the form $a-dx ~~(a, d, x \in \mathbb{Z}, d \ge 1)$ is nonempty. This is the proof from my book. If $a \ge 0$, then $a = a-d\cdot 0 \in S$. If $a < 0$, let $x = -y$ where $y$ is a positive integer. Since $d$ is positive, we have $a-dx = a+dy \in S$ for sufficiently large $y$. Thus $S$ is nonempty.

Could someone explain sentence that I've bolded? It's not clear to me.
 
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Um, simple form: x can be negative?

For example, if a = -1,000,000, and d = 2, it suffices to to take x < -500,000.
 
I think I understand now, thank you. Should it be $x \le -500,000$ though?
 
If you only require that [math]a - dx[/math] be non-negative, sure, yep, you betcha.
 
Thank you. One more question. This is from the beginning of a proof of the division algorithm (as you probably recognised). The thing is, considering this particular set came out of a thin air. Do you know - or would you be able to give any motivation?
 
I believe I can do that:

Suppose we are trying to establish a quotient and remainder for b divided by a. We might, naively try "guess and check":

Pick a positive number d, any number. Calculate ad, and subtract it from b, call this number "a remainder", r:

r = b - ad.

Now, is there "some possible best remainder"? One way to "optimize" this is to try to pick d so that r is as small as possible (for reasons that may become clearer much later in your mathematical life, it is also more practical to work with non-negative remainders).

So what is this set of "non-negative remainders"? Why, it's just the S we've been talking about! Why are we so concerned about S being non-empty?

So we can use THIS theorem:

(Well-ordering of the Natural Numbers}:

Any ​non-empty set of non-negative integers has a least element.

This allows us to say with confidence a "best" remainder EXISTS, even if we haven't yet done the arithmetic. This, in turn let's us find UNIQUE d,r for b divided by a: we pick d so that r is the least element of S. For example, if we want to find these when b = 57, a = 7:

57 - 7 = 50 (first choice of d = 1)
57 - 14 = 43 (second choice of d = 2). Well, 43 < 50, so we'll keep d = 2 for now, and keep plugging away.

57 - 21 = 36 (third choice of d = 3). Again, 36 < 43, so we have a new winner (for now).

57 - 28 = 29 (29 < 36)
57 - 35 = 22 (22 < 29)
57 - 42 = 15 (15 < 22)
57 - 49 = 8 (8 < 15)
57 - 56 = 1 (1 < 8)

57 - 63 = -6 (oops, we went too far, -6 is negative). So the unique values we seek are d = 8, and r = 1. If we have established beforehand (rigorously) the existence and uniqueness of d and r, we don't have to go any further, our search for d and r is done, we don't have to try any more possibilities (good thing, too, since there are SO MANY integers we might try).
 

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