Is the Unknown Ionic Solution NaI, AgCl, ZnI2, or CuBr2?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying an unknown ionic solution based on observed reactions with various reagents. Participants explore the reactivity of different ionic compounds, specifically NaI, AgCl, ZnI2, and CuBr2, as well as the implications of reduction potentials in determining the behavior of halides in solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that NaI is likely the unknown solution based on aluminum's tendency to give away electrons, implying that Na is a stronger reducing agent.
  • Another participant provides a visual aid and explains that sodium will ionize in water, while aluminum will bind to negative ions, indicating a general understanding of the reactivity series.
  • There is confusion about the relative reactivity of bromine and iodine, with one participant questioning whether they understand the implications of reduction potentials correctly.
  • A later reply clarifies that a higher reduction potential indicates a stronger tendency to attract electrons, suggesting that bromine is better at oxidation than iodine.
  • Participants discuss the implications of reduction potentials for sodium, aluminum, bromine, and iodine, noting their tendencies to undergo oxidation or reduction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the reactivity of bromine and iodine, and there is no consensus on the identification of the unknown ionic solution. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of reduction potentials and their implications for the reactions observed.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference reduction potentials and the reactivity series, but there are unresolved assumptions about how these concepts apply to the specific reactions being discussed. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or conceptual steps involved in determining the unknown solution.

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Homework Statement



I am having trouble trying to find out if things react with each other or not. I don't really know how to read the reactivity series well :confused:

Homework Equations


Question 1: a student was given a beaker of an unknown ionic solution to identify. she conducted the following tests:

1. add br2 (aq): mixture turns red-brown colour
2. add Al(s): no observed change to solution or metal

the unknown ionic solution could be:
NaI (aq), AgCl, ZnI2 or CuBr2

Question 2:
when chlorine water is added to a sample of colourless ionic solution, the solution changed to a straw brown colour. The unknown solution is most likely to be:

KI(aq) or KBr (aq) or Br2 (aq) or F2(aq)

The Attempt at a Solution


For question 1,I know that aluminium usually likes to give away electrons so the answer is likely to be NaI? because Na is a stronger reducing agent than Al I think.

For question 2
I can eliminate Br2 and F2 since they are not ionic but I am stumped on the other two possible answers.
 
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Hi paperdoll! :smile:

I have a picture here that may help you:
enegtrend.jpg
With Na to the far left, you know that it will ionize in water immediately.
(Think of NaCl salt that easily dissolves.)

What Al far into the direction of the arrow, you know that Al will bind to any negative ion easily.
(Al will typically oxidize.)

With Br slightly ahead of I, Br would bind more tightly than I.
 
I like Serena said:
Hi paperdoll! :smile:

I have a picture here that may help you:
enegtrend.jpg



With Na to the far left, you know that it will ionize in water immediately.
(Think of NaCl salt that easily dissolves.)

What Al far into the direction of the arrow, you know that Al will bind to any negative ion easily.
(Al will typically oxidize.)

With Br slightly ahead of I, Br would bind more tightly than I.


I understand the Na and the Al but I still don't understand Br and I. On my reduction potentials table Br is +1.07 and I is +0.54. But in this case, Br- would want to go to Br (l) which is a oxidation reaction. So wouldn't I be better at oxidation than Br? a bit confused :confused:
 
paperdoll said:
I understand the Na and the Al but I still don't understand Br and I. On my reduction potentials table Br is +1.07 and I is +0.54. But in this case, Br- would want to go to Br (l) which is a oxidation reaction. So wouldn't I be better at oxidation than Br? a bit confused :confused:

I think you have it the wrong way around.

A high reduction potential means a strong tendency to attract an electron (and thereby reduce the charge).
In an oxidation reaction Br becomes Br- (just like in regular oxidation O becomes O2-).

So Br is better at oxidation (becoming Br-) than I is.

You'll see that Na has a strongly negative reduction potential (strong tendency Na → Na+).
Al has a less negative reduction potential (Al → Al3+).
I has a positive reduction potential (I → I-).
And Br has a more strongly positive reduction potential (stronger tendency Br → Br-).
 
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