Is there a Path for Galaxies Moving Away?

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The discussion revolves around the movement of galaxies in the universe, questioning whether they follow specific paths and how this relates to the concept of an expanding universe. Participants explore the implications of gravitational forces and the nature of motion in space, touching on both theoretical and observational aspects.

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  • Some participants propose that galaxies may have specific paths influenced by gravitational forces, similar to how moons and planets move within their systems.
  • Others argue that galaxies are moving away from each other at speeds proportional to their distances, a phenomenon measured through redshift, which supports the Big Bang theory.
  • A question is raised regarding the factors affecting the speed of objects in space, noting that proximity to massive bodies like stars influences their velocities.
  • Some participants suggest that the motion of galaxies could be a result of the expansion of space itself, rather than traditional motion as understood in a gravitational context.
  • There is mention of the potential for more powerful telescopes to enhance understanding of these dynamics, although some express skepticism about the existence of flaws in the Big Bang theory.

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Participants express differing views on whether galaxies follow specific paths or if their movement is solely a result of the expansion of the universe. While some support the idea of organized motion influenced by gravity, others uphold the expanding universe model as consistent with observational data.

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The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the motion of galaxies, particularly regarding the definitions of motion in an expanding universe and the complexities of gravitational interactions among celestial bodies.

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Readers interested in cosmology, gravitational dynamics, and the evolution of the universe may find the discussion relevant to their studies or inquiries.

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We all know that Galaxies are moving away from each other at a great speed, Is there any specific path through which they are moving?

Again we know few things about the Universe like Moons rotate around Planets, Planets around star, stars around the center of galaxy. And it seems all follow a system & that is the Gravitational force.

Earlier astronomers felt like Earth is constant & Sun is moving around it, but gradually they came to know the actual fact. Till now we know about the Stars as they rotate around the center of galaxy i.e. the black hole, So it may happen black holes are also rotating around some massive force along with the Galaxy. If that is true then all Galaxies are having a path & it will reject the concept that Universe is Expanding.

Here One more thing is that the distance between two planets in our Solar system never be same always, sometimes we may see the distance is getting more & sometimes less. This all because of the paths & we know this, as these planets are much close to us as compared to distant galaxies.

I feel we can find out this once we have some more powerful Telescope that we have now.

Whatever the astronomers found till date about the Universe is nothing but an Organized System, every object is well placed with a specific path, whereas the fact that Galaxies are moving away from each other is not matching the whole concept that already proved by astronomers.
 
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ranjanbloom said:
We all know that Galaxies are moving away from each other at a great speed, Is there any specific path through which they are moving?
Except for ones near enough to each other to be gravitationally bound, they are all moving directly away from each other at a speed roughly proportional to their distance from each other (ie, the further apart, the higher the speed).
Till now we know about the Stars as they rotate around the center of galaxy i.e. the black hole, So it may happen black holes are also rotating around some massive force along with the Galaxy. If that is true then all Galaxies are having a path & it will reject the concept that Universe is Expanding.
Motion of galaxies can be easily measured via red-shift, so astronomers are pretty sure they know the recession velocity of the galaxies reasonably accurately.
Here One more thing is that the distance between two planets in our Solar system never be same always, sometimes we may see the distance is getting more & sometimes less. This all because of the paths & we know this, as these planets are much close to us as compared to distant galaxies.
Again, we can certainly tell whether galaxies are getting closer to us or moving away.
I feel we can find out this once we have some more powerful Telescope that we have now.
Astronomers will always want more powerful telescopes, but as far as confirming the Big Bang theory goes, the margin for error is already exceedingly small. The Hubble can already see and measure the speed of objects more than 13.2 billion light years away - just a few hundred million years after the Big Bang and not long after galaxies started to form.
Whatever the astronomers found till date about the Universe is nothing but an Organized System, every object is well placed with a specific path, whereas the fact that Galaxies are moving away from each other is not matching the whole concept that already proved by astronomers.
I'm not quite following: there are no big flaws in the BBT. The fact that galaxies are moving away from each other matches with the predictions of the BBT.
 
Thanks for your great explanation, I have one more question "What is the major factor behind the speed of any object in space?". The speed of a star, planet, moon all varies. E.g. If a planet is close to the star then it will be be having greater speed than the planet that is far away. Similarly Speed of the Galaxies are also vary to each other, What is the factor behind this?
 
ranjanbloom said:
Thanks for your great explanation, I have one more question "What is the major factor behind the speed of any object in space?". The speed of a star, planet, moon all varies. E.g. If a planet is close to the star then it will be be having greater speed than the planet that is far away.
Objects that are close enough to each other to be gravitationally bound are interacting due to gravity. That would be the planets, stars, etc. up through our local group of galaxies. All of this motion one way or another started as gravitational potential energy as the slight granularity of our early ball-of-plasma universe led to coalescing into these forms.
Similarly Speed of the Galaxies are also vary to each other, What is the factor behind this?
Beyond our local group of galaxies, the word "motion" as we normally think about it is not really applicable any more. Objects appear to be moving apart, but the reality is that the space between them is expanding. Though the word is often still used, it isn't the same kind of motion.
 

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