Isosceles hyperbola locus problem

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The discussion revolves around a geometric problem involving the locus of points from which the tangents to a given isosceles hyperbola are perpendicular to each other. Participants are exploring the implications of the problem statement and the mathematical concepts involved.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the terminology used in the problem, particularly the term "isosceles hyperbola" and its relation to "rectangular hyperbola." There is discussion about the nature of the tangents and whether they can be considered as "conducted" or "subtended." Some participants are exploring the possibility of the locus being a single point, specifically the origin, and questioning the conditions under which tangents may touch the hyperbola at infinity.

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The discussion is ongoing with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have attempted to derive equations based on the properties of the hyperbola, while others express uncertainty about their approaches. There is no explicit consensus on the nature of the locus, with some suggesting it may be a single point and others questioning this conclusion.

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Participants note the challenges posed by the translation of the problem and the lack of a strong mathematical background among some contributors. There is also mention of potential constraints in deriving a general solution due to the complexity of the equations involved.

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Hello all,

I would like beforehand to inform you that the translation of the following geometric problem is not very good and consequently you will have to use your mathematical intuition just a little bit. I encountered it while giving admission exams in a Mathematics department to pursue a second degree.
I don't have a mathematical background so any help appreciated.

Homework Statement


"Find the locus of points from which the conducted tangents at a given isosceles hyperbola are vertical to each other"

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Can you assume that the locus contains just one point (which is the origin of the axes) and the tangents touch the curve at infinity ?
I apologize for my English ...
 
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dpesios said:
"Find the locus of points from which the conducted tangents at a given isosceles hyperbola are vertical to each other"
All makes sense to me except for "isosceles hyperbola". Could it mean rectangular?
For the rest, I would word it as "Find the locus of points from which the subtended tangents to a given (?) hyperbola are perpendicular to each other"
Can you assume that the locus contains just one point (which is the origin of the axes) and the tangents touch the curve at infinity ?
No.
 
Yes, I do mean rectangular hyperbola.
When it comes to geometry it is all Greek to me ... :confused:

I'm not sure whether we should say "conducted tangent from a given point" or "subtended tangent".

As far as I understand two tangent lines start from a point on the locus and touch the given curve in a way that they are perpendicular to each other.

Any suggestions ?
 
Let (x,y) be a point on the locus, (x',y'), (x", y") be the contact points on the hyperbola of the conducted/subtended tangents. We have the following equations (assuming a canonical form for the hyperbola):
y'2-x'2=c2
y"2-x"2=c2
y'y - x'x = c2
y"y - x"x = c2
x'x"+y'y" = 0 (tangents perpendicular)
In principle, should be possible to eliminate x', x", y', y" to obtain an equation for x and y.
 
I see your point but there is always a but ... :frown:

No matter how hard I try, I cannot figure out an equation by eliminating x',x'',y' and y''.

Maybe there is another way of solving the problem.

I don't know. What do you think ?
 
I worked it through and got x=y=0. Then I thought about it geometrically and realized that is right. The gradient of the curve y2=x2+c2 has magnitude <= 1 everywhere. So two tangents at right angles must have gradients +1 and -1. In the more general hyperbola y2=m2x2+c2, only if m>1 does the locus become more interesting.
 
So, the answer is that there is no locus or the locus contains just one point and the contact points with the curve are at infinity as I initially proposed (?).

If it is so, I must play lottery. :rolleyes:

Thank you for your time.
 

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