Jon Huntsman: A Refreshing Choice for President

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The discussion centers around Jon Huntsman's candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination, particularly in light of his endorsement by the Boston Globe. Participants explore his qualifications, perceived charisma, and the challenges he faces within the GOP, as well as comparisons to other candidates like Mitt Romney.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note Huntsman's endorsement by the Boston Globe as a significant moment in his campaign, contrasting it with Romney's perceived shift to the right.
  • Several participants express skepticism about Huntsman's traction within the GOP, suggesting that the two-party system limits his chances against Obama.
  • There is a discussion about the charisma of both Huntsman and Romney, with some participants questioning why the media favors Romney despite their similar backgrounds.
  • Some participants express mixed feelings about Huntsman's Mormon faith, with varying degrees of acceptance based on personal beliefs about religion.
  • One participant highlights Huntsman's qualifications, including his experience as a governor and ambassador, arguing he is as qualified as Romney and more so than other candidates.
  • Concerns are raised about Huntsman's platform, with participants noting a lack of clarity on his positions regarding Social Security and other issues.
  • There is a recognition of Huntsman as a moderate candidate, with some participants expressing that this is why they prefer him over others in the race.
  • One participant recalls Huntsman's performance in debates, suggesting that his moderate stance may not resonate with the Republican base.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of admiration and skepticism regarding Huntsman's candidacy, with no clear consensus on his viability or appeal within the GOP. Disagreements exist regarding the effectiveness of his campaign and the impact of his religious affiliation on voter perception.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the lack of firm information on Huntsman's platform, indicating uncertainty about his positions on key issues. Additionally, there are references to the broader political landscape and the challenges faced by moderate candidates in the current GOP environment.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those following the Republican primary, particularly individuals curious about moderate candidates and their reception within the party.

  • #31


Oltz said:
By that logic prior to birth if a man says he would prefer the woman had an abortion would he then not be responsible for child support?
That's how it should be, IMO. It's unfair otherwise. Our laws are outdated. It's no longer a time when women were restricted from getting an education and a decent job and if they got pregnant it was the man's *duty* to provide support.

Yet (excluding rape) the woman made the same choices at the same time and you are saying she is not responsible until she gets passed whatever point of no return you feel should be legal. (first trimester second third at birth what have you)
Jack never said any such thing.

Bolding mine.
 
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  • #32


Jack21222 said:
... strictly speaking, getting an abortion is taking responsibility for your choices.
I agree. The assertion, by devout Christian conservatives, is that an unborn fetus has legal rights. Silly? Imho, yes.

This is maybe somewhat off-topic, but then the abortion issue seems to be considered to be an important one by GOP candidates in general.
 
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  • #33


ThomasT said:
I agree. The assertion, by devout Christian conservatives, is that an unborn fetus has legal rights. Silly? Imho, yes.

This is maybe somewhat off-topic, but then the abortion issue is seems to be considered to be an important one by GOP candidates in general.
But many first term pregnancies naturally abort anyway. I could get real graphic here about why they are not considered viable, but I hope our members get it.

Seriously, can we PLEASE get off this and back to the topic?
 
  • #34


Evo said:
But many first term pregnancies naturally abort anyway. I could get real graphic here about why they are not considered viable, but I hope our members get it.

Seriously, can we PLEASE get off this and back to the topic?
The topic is John Huntsman's candidacy, and since abortion rights are an important topic wrt GOP candidates and their apparent constituency, then John Huntsman's position on this is relevant, and discussions about it are relevant.
 
  • #35


ThomasT said:
The topic is John Huntsman's candidacy, and since abortion rights are an important topic wrt GOP candidates and their apparent constituency, then John Huntsman's position on this is relevant, and discussions about it are relevant.

Relevant, but tangential.

It's really starting to look like Huntsman's campaign will fall by the wayside, and Romney will be the nominee. If Huntsman got the GOP nomination, I'd still be rooting for Obama to win (wouldn't vote for him, voting for president is worthless in my state, it goes to the Democrat by a 2 to 1 margin every year). But, if Huntsman did somehow get it, at least some semblance of rational discussion would occur in this country. Even though I disagree with Huntsman on a lot of things, I get the impression that he wouldn't start yelling sound bites at me like most of the rest of the field, or just telling me whatever I want to hear, like Romney would.
 
  • #36


this guy is so well known even the title of this thread spells his name wrong.
 
  • #37


mathwonk said:
this guy is so well known even the title of this thread spells his name wrong.
This thread was started by Evo. I sense a possible temporary banning.
 
  • #38


He is going all in for south carolina. A loss there will almost surely be fatal for his campaign.
 
  • #39


mathwonk said:
this guy is so well known even the title of this thread spells his name wrong.
LOL! Shows how much I know about him. :-p
 
  • #40


Evo said:
LOL! Shows how much I know about him. :-p
Nobody seems to know much about him, and the media isn't real helpful in that regard. The most "damning" thing I have hear said about him is "He speaks Chinese", as if that is some kind of disqualification for the GOP nomination.

Actually, it may be a disqualifying factor, with the apparent anti-intellectualism on the right.
 
  • #41


turbo said:
Nobody seems to know much about him, and the media isn't real helpful in that regard. The most "damning" thing I have hear said about him is "He speaks Chinese", as if that is some kind of disqualification for the GOP nomination.

The GOP don't want no one who speaks a furrener's language! Makes me wonder what they think about high school foreign language requirements.
 
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There's a little banner at the bottom (right at the end of the clip) that says "Paid for by Newt 2012", so it appears the ad was produced and distributed by his campaign and not some outside SuperPac.
 
  • #45
Greg Bernhardt said:
Was that ad approved by Newt Gingrich? It didn't say and these ads usually have a bit at the end that says it is. If it was approved by Newt Gingrich, then my case is closed with him!
The longer version just says "paid for by Newt Gingrich 2012".

 
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  • #46
Huntsman is out.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/15/10163220-huntsman-to-drop-out-of-presidential-race-endorse-romney

Looks like he'll endorse Romney.

I figured as much - the south, starting with South Carolina, is much to daunting after a third-place finish in New Hampshire.
 
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  • #47


Greg Bernhardt said:
I really enjoyed this civil debate a few weeks ago
Yes? I watched it at the time in order to take a good look at Huntsman, as I liked his background and some of his written proposals. In this 'debate' I was disappointed, as I saw little ability to build constructive argument, and instead a got a job interview, a return again and again to a 'once upon a time I was Ambassador to China so hire me' platitudes.
 
  • #48
That was disappointing, mheslep, and I took away about the same impression. I don't want an off-the-wall "idea-man" like Gingrich to chose from in the general election, but I'd sure like to have somebody who is not beige or taupe. Somebody that can contrast with Obama, and be rational at the same time.
 

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