KMnO4 Titration, why does it need to be in an acid?

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The discussion centers on the necessity of acid in the titration of Fe(NH4)2(SO4)2*6H2O with KMnO4, particularly exploring the implications of conducting the reaction in neutral conditions. Participants examine the potential products and reactions that could occur without acidification.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that potassium permanganate degrades into MnO2 in neutral conditions and questions whether a redox reaction would still occur without acid.
  • Another participant emphasizes that hydronium ions are necessary for the reaction to proceed, suggesting that the reaction cannot take place without them.
  • A participant speculates on alternative reactions that might occur in the absence of acid, proposing a reaction that produces MnO2 and O2 alongside Fe3+.
  • It is mentioned that depending on conditions, permanganate can be reduced to various products, including manganate, manganese dioxide, or Mn2+, with low pH ensuring a single reduction product.
  • One participant suggests that acidification is necessary to prevent excess oxygen atoms from interfering with the reaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reactions that could occur without acid, with some asserting that no reaction would take place while others propose alternative products. The necessity of acid for the reaction remains a point of contention.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully resolve the implications of conducting the titration in neutral conditions, and there are unresolved questions about the specific products formed in the absence of acid.

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Students studying redox reactions, particularly in the context of titrations, and those interested in the chemistry of permanganate and iron compounds may find this discussion relevant.

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1. Homework Statement

Fe(NH4)2(SO4)2*6H2O is mixed with H2SO4 and then titrated with KMnO4 until the equivalence point is reached.
The question I am confused with is:
What might have been the product(s) in the original solution if it had remained neutral? (if the solution was not acidified with H2SO4) How could you determine this?


2. Homework Equations

Net Ionic Equation:
8H+ + MnO4- + 5Fe2+ => Mn2+ + 4H2O + 5Fe3+


3. The Attempt at a Solution

From the wikipedia page on this, it says that potassium permanganate degrades into MnO2 when reacted in a neutral equation. I would think that the redox reaction would still occur between the Fe2+ solution and the KMnO4, but it wouldn't reach the equivalence point since there is no acid...so it wouldn't change color?

 
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You have written part of the justification for doing the titration in acid conditions. Hydronium ions participate in the reaction.
 
Okay, so the above reaction couldn't take place without the hydrogen ions. Would a different reaction occur? Or would no reaction occur? My best guess would be something like: Fe2+ + MnO4- => MnO2 + O2 + Fe3+?
 
Depending on conditions permanganate gets reduced to manganate, manganese dioxide, or Mn2+. Low pH guarantees only one reduction product and high enough redox potential to proceed with oxidation of Fe(II).
 
I think the potassium manganate (VII) must be acidified, so that the hydrogen ions will mop up any excess oxygen atoms that were otherwise not taken up.
 

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