Learning Dirac Notation: Writing Hamiltonian for 3 States

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around writing the Hamiltonian in Dirac notation for three different quantum states (a, b, c) that have the same energy. Participants explore the formulation of the Hamiltonian, particularly in the context of eigenvalue problems and the representation of states in a matrix form.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting with the eigenvalue problem H|Psi> = E|psi> to derive the Hamiltonian.
  • Another participant hints that H = E(|a>
  • Several participants propose that if the states are orthogonal eigenstates, the Hamiltonian can be expressed as H = E_a|a>
  • There is mention of the Hamiltonian being represented as a 3x3 matrix with zero off-diagonal entries if the eigenstates are orthogonal.
  • One participant notes that if the states are degenerate, a specific matrix form for H can be used, represented as H = [E_a 0 0; 0 E_b 0; 0 0 E_c].
  • Another participant requests clarification on the format of the equations presented, indicating that the clarity of the question affects the ability to provide an answer.
  • It is confirmed by a participant that the representation of H in an eigenbasis is meaningful and that the state can be decomposed in this basis with coefficients corresponding to states a, b, and c.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the formulation of the Hamiltonian in Dirac notation, particularly regarding the representation in matrix form for orthogonal and degenerate states. However, there is some uncertainty about the clarity of the question posed by one participant, which affects the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the orthogonality of the states and the clarity of the mathematical expressions presented, which could impact the understanding of the Hamiltonian's formulation.

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I am new to quantum physics. My question is how to write the Hamiltonian in dirac notation for 3 different states say a , b , c having same energy.

I started with eigenvalue problem H|Psi> = E|psi>

H = ? for state a?

SO it means that indvdually H= E (|a><a|) for state a
and for all three states i can write
H= E (|a><a|+|b><b|+|c><c|)

am i right?
 
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SO it means that indvdually H= E (|a><a|) for state a
and for all three states i can write
H= E (|a><a|+|b><b|+|c><c|)

am i right?
 


noman3k3 said:
I am new to quantum physics. My question is how to write the Hamiltonian in dirac notation for 3 different states say a , b , c having same energy.

I started with eigenvalue problem H|Psi> = E|psi>

H = ? for state a?

SO it means that indvdually H= E (|a><a|) for state a
and for all three states i can write
H= E (|a><a|+|b><b|+|c><c|)

am i right?

The H you want is most likely a 3x3 matrix. If your states a, b c are orthogonal eigenstates, the energies are the diagonal entries and the off-diagonal entries were zero. In Dirac notation, this is
H= E_a|a><a|+E_b|b><b|+E_c|c><c|

But only if the eignestates are orthogonal and eigenstates!
 
So if states are degenerate i can have

H= [E_a 0 0 psi = [a
0 Eb 0 b
0 0 EC] c]
 
noman3k3 said:
So if states are degenerate i can have

H= [E_a 0 0 psi = [a
0 Eb 0 b
0 0 EC] c]
Your equation looks garbled. Please use an intelligible format, to be able to answer your question.
(Probably the answer to your question is yes, but since the question isn't clear, the answer cannot be.)
 
H= [E_a 0 0 ; 0 E_b 0; 0 0 E_c]

Psi= [a; b;c]
 
noman3k3 said:
H= [E_a 0 0 ; 0 E_b 0; 0 0 E_c]

Psi= [a; b;c]

Yes, this is meaningful. The formula for H says that you represent the Hamiltonian in an eigenbasis, and the formula for psi says that the state you consider decomposes in this eigenbasis with coefficients a, b, and c.
 

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