Longevity of Stau (supersymmetric particle)

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The discussion centers on the longevity of the stau, a supersymmetric particle, and its implications for big bang nucleosynthesis, particularly regarding the lithium isotopes Li-6 and Li-7. Participants explore theoretical models, potential decay processes, and the challenges of detecting such particles in cosmic rays.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference an article by Maxim Pospelov suggesting that the stau could catalyze fusion reactions affecting the Li-6/Li-7 ratio shortly after the Big Bang.
  • It is proposed that the stau must have a half-life on the order of hours, which is significantly longer than most unstable particles, raising questions about its decay products.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the existence of the stau, noting that no supersymmetric particles have been detected to date.
  • There are discussions about the potential for staus to be less penetrating than muons due to their mass and the implications of the Bethe-Bloch curve on particle ionization.
  • One participant mentions that the stau is often considered a candidate for the lightest or next-to-lightest supersymmetric particle in various models, which could contribute to its long lifetime.
  • Questions are raised about how to distinguish staus from other particles in cosmic ray experiments, highlighting the challenges of identification in particle physics.
  • There is a meta-discussion regarding the classification of supersymmetry topics within forum categories, indicating some ambiguity in how these discussions are categorized.

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Participants express a mix of viewpoints, with some supporting the theoretical existence and implications of the stau, while others remain skeptical about its detection and existence. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the stau's properties or its implications for particle physics.

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Limitations include the speculative nature of the models discussed, the dependence on specific assumptions about particle interactions, and unresolved questions regarding the detection of staus in cosmic rays.

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In the New Scientist of 5 July 2008 is an article 'Crucible of Creation' on pp 28 - 31. Part of it concerns the ratio of the isotopes Li-6 and Li-7 which formed just after the Big Bang. They discuss the work of Maxim Pospelov of the Perimeter Institute in Waterloo, Ontario.

Pospelov proposes that the Li-6/Li-7 ratio was affected by the presence of the stau, supersymmetric partner of the tau lepton, which catalysed fusion reactions involving beryllium-7 with protons (thereby preventing much Be-7 from decaying to Li-7, instead converting it to He-4 via B-8); and later of helium-4 with deuterons to give lithium-6. This latter reaction is said to have taken place THREE HOURS after the Big Bang.

Therefore the stau must have a half-life of the order of hours, far longer than that of any other unstable particle. Why is this thought possible or likely? To what would the stau decay?

Such a long-lived particle must surely form in energetic cosmic-ray reactions. It should be far more penetrating than the similarly charged muon, because of its great mass. So why hasn't it already been found? - for example in experiments in deep mines looking for proton-decay or cosmic neutrinos.
 
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To the best of my knowledge, no supersymmetric particles have been found as yet.
 
I found two possible references :
Particle Physics Catalysis of Thermal Big Bang Nucleosynthesis, Maxim Pospelov, Phys. Rev. Lett. 98, 231301 (2007)
If the gravitino mass is in the region from a few GeV to a few 10's GeV, the scalar lepton X such as stau is most likely the next lightest supersymmetry particle. The negatively charged and long-lived X may form a Coulomb bound state (AX) with a nucleus A and may affect the big-bang nucleosynthesis through catalyzed fusion process. We calculate a production cross section of 6Li from the catalyzed fusion ^{4}\text{He}X^{-}+d\rightarrow \,^{6}\text{Li}+X^{-} by solving the Schrödinger equation exactly for three-body system of 4He, d and X. [...]
Stau-catalyzed 6Li production in big-bang nucleosynthesis, K. Hamaguchia, T. Hatsudaa, M. Kamimurab, Y. Kinoc and T.T. Yanagidaa, Physics Letters B Volume 650, Issue 4, 5 July 2007, Pages 268-274
We point out that the existence of metastable, \tau>10^{3} s, negatively charged electroweak-scale particles (X^{-}) alters the predictions for lithium and other primordial elemental abundances for A>4 via the formation of bound states with nuclei during big bang nucleosynthesis. In particular, we show that the bound states of X^{-} with helium, formed at temperatures of about T=108 K, lead to the catalytic enhancement of 6Li production, which is 8 orders of magnitude more efficient than the standard channel. [...]
Interesting.
Therefore the stau must have a half-life of the order of hours, far longer than that of any other unstable particle. Why is this thought possible or likely? To what would the stau decay?
No. The neutron is unstable in a free state but stable in a nuclei. The stau in a bound state can live for as long as three hours. This is explicity mentionned. But on the other hand, this is just a model, which for once has an interesting property of leading to observable predictions.
 
Thanks for references, Humanino! I did know about free neutrons, though minutes rather than hours. My main point was that if the long-lived stau does exist, it should already have been found in secondary cosmic rays. It hasn't, so probably does not exist.
 
Such a particle would probably be less penetrating than a muon - take a look at the Bethe-Block curve: as a particle gets heavier, it slows down, moves to the left where the ionization is larger. In fact, since the typical muon sits very close to the minimum of that curve, pretty much anything will ionize more.

But suppose you do make them. How would you tell that you have a stau instead of something else in a cosmic ray experiment? Tracks don't come with a label on them saying "this track was made by a proton". PS What is the boundary between HENPP and BSM? I would have thought that a post about something that is supersymmetric would clearly be BSM, but the BSM section seems to be only about stringery and alternatives.
 
the stau is often a candidate for the LSP (lightest susy particle) or the NLSP, in many models; for example in models of "gaugino mediation" - and can therefore potentially be very long lived. that's why some people favor this possibility.


Vanadium 50 said:
PS What is the boundary between HENPP and BSM? I would have thought that a post about something that is supersymmetric would clearly be BSM, but the BSM section seems to be only about stringery and alternatives.

There never was a clear boundary. unfortunately, SUSY has gained enough notoriety that it is sometimes not given its full "speculative" value. but i would think anything that could be even remotely relevant for the LHC, including SUSY and its BSM cousins, have a home here! :wink:
 

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