MHB Lopsided display Formula and Unbalanced Delimiters

[Opalg]

A comment by MarkFL in a https://mathhelpboards.com/pre-algebra-algebra-2/how-many-times-do-i-have-increase-3-a-24655.html#post110181 includes this formula:

$$n=\left\lceil\frac{\ln\left(\dfrac{50}{3}\right)}{\ln(1.03)}\right\rceil$$

On my browser, that formula displays in a strange way:

https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/8304._xfImport
Is that a quirk of my browser, or do other people get the same unbalanced delimiters?

If I replace the ceiling delimiters by brackets then the problem goes away, like this:

$$n=\left[\frac{\ln\left(\dfrac{50}{3}\right)}{\ln(1.03)}\right]$$

An alternative solution (which looks much neater to me) is not to insist that the inner fraction should be in displaystyle:

$$n=\left\lceil\frac{\ln\left(\frac{50}{3}\right)}{\ln(1.03)}\right\rceil$$

 

[MarkFL]

Using Firefox, I see:

View attachment 8305

edit: I see the same using Chrome, Edge, and Vivaldi.

 

[Opalg]

I get the same lopsided display with Safari, Firefox, Chrome and Opera. Maybe it's an Apple Mac problem?

 

[MarkFL]

I get the same lopsided display with Safari, Firefox, Chrome and Opera. Maybe it's an Apple Mac problem?

I've never owned or even used an Apple product, so I would only be able to guess about that. :)

 

[Jameson]

This could be my fault. I've been experiment with adding advertising to the site today to help pay for server costs. I just removed something from the postbit location. Do you still notice the same problem?

 

[Opalg]

This could be my fault. I've been experiment with adding advertising to the site today to help pay for server costs. I just removed something from the postbit location. Do you still notice the same problem?

I'm still getting the same lopsided display. But if I enter the same formula in a file using the TeX program (TeXShop) on my computer then it displays correctly. So it seems that the problem has something to do with the way the Mac interacts with MathJax.

 

[MarkFL]

I'm still getting the same lopsided display. But if I enter the same formula in a file using the TeX program (TeXShop) on my computer then it displays correctly. So it seems that the problem has something to do with the way the Mac interacts with MathJax.

Can you try it on another site that uses MathJax to ensure the issue is MathJax related in general rather than MHB's implementation of MathJax? You can test it here:

MathJax Live Demo

 

[MountEvariste]

I get the same lopsided display with Safari, Firefox, Chrome and Opera. Maybe it's an Apple Mac problem?

I see the same thing that you see. I'm using Apple Mac too.

 

[Opalg]

Can you try it on another site that uses MathJax to ensure the issue is MathJax related in general rather than MHB's implementation of MathJax? You can test it here:

MathJax Live Demo

It displays correctly on the Live Demo, but still not in MHB.

 

[MarkFL]

I seem to recall adding some CSS regarding one or more bracketing symbols in MathJax, but cloudflare now prevents me from accessing the templates so another admin will have to address this.

 

[Jameson]

I seem to recall adding some CSS regarding one or more bracketing symbols in MathJax, but cloudflare now prevents me from accessing the templates so another admin will have to address this.

Mark, have you tried logging into another Admin account to test if it would work then? If I create a dummy Admin account is it worth a shot?

 

[MarkFL]

Mark, have you tried logging into another Admin account to test if it would work then? If I create a dummy Admin account is it worth a shot?

I tried using anemone's account, and was still locked out. You'd have to search through the "additional.css" template to find any MathJax specific CSS I added years ago. You should find some selectors specific to brackets, I think.

 

[Joppy]

I've been experiment with adding advertising to the site today to help pay for server costs.

What is the cost of this? If you're able to share.

 

[Jameson]

What is the cost of this? If you're able to share.

Gladly. I'm thinking about opening this topic up site wide to figure out ways to make the site pay for itself.

Our server costs roughly \$55 a month. Domain registration is \$20 per year. Other random coding costs can range from \$20-\$500 but those are rare and not what I would consider part of operating costs. In my opinion once we have enough money to keep the site running each money I can disable ads until the next month, or do it in bigger batches.

 

[I like Serena]

I tried using anemone's account, and was still locked out. You'd have to search through the "additional.css" template to find any MathJax specific CSS I added years ago. You should find some selectors specific to brackets, I think.

It seems to me that we should try to get to the bottom of this.
First step, I think, is to try to confirm/isolate where the problem is.
Apparent candidates are:

1. Something unknown in your local configuration. Can you reproduce from a different computer?
2. Or when using a different provider?
3. Cloudflare. Can we somehow confirm that Cloudflare is an issue?

 

[Jameson]

It seems to me that we should try to get to the bottom of this.
First step, I think, is to try to confirm/isolate where the problem is.
Apparent candidates are:

1. Something unknown in your local configuration. Can you reproduce from a different computer?
2. Or when using a different provider?
3. Cloudflare. Can we somehow confirm that Cloudflare is an issue?

I have logged into his account from my computer and it works fine, so it seems to be isolated to his computer or his IP. Right now I am actually looking at competitors for Cloudflare that will actually offer support so maybe that will help.

 

[I like Serena]

I have logged into his account from my computer and it works fine, so it seems to be isolated to his computer or his IP. Right now I am actually looking at competitors for Cloudflare that will actually offer support so maybe that will help.

To be honest, I don't get how Cloudflare might be an issue, but perhaps I'm missing something.
As I see it, we just need all https (port 443) traffic to get through.
And maybe some http (port 80) traffic, if there are still some left-overs.
If both are properly passed through, it seems to me that we should be good - Cloudflare or not.
Can someone clarify how Cloudflare might be an issue?

Then again, as I said, I think we first need to isolate where the problem occurs before trying to understand how or why it happens.

 

[MarkFL]

Ckoudflare (apparently) causes issues on other pages here for at least one other user. I guess the only way to be sure though would be to disable cloudflare, and then see if the issue persists. I have admin access on several other vB 4.2.x sites, which are not running cloudflare, and I have no such issues there.

 

[I like Serena]

Ckoudflare (apparently) causes issues on other pages here for at least one other user. I guess the only way to be sure though would be to disable cloudflare, and then see if the issue persists. I have admin access on several other vB 4.2.x sites, which are not running cloudflare, and I have no such issues there.

I'd still like to know...

• Can you reproduce from a different computer?
• Can you reproduce when using a different provider?

If you have trouble verifying either of those, I might be able to set up a 'jumpbox', which should forward all https and http connections to MHB through my own connection.

 

[MarkFL]

I'd still like to know...

• Can you reproduce from a different computer?
• Can you reproduce when using a different provider?

If you have trouble verifying either of those, I might be able to set up a 'jumpbox', which should forward all https and http connections to MHB through my own connection.

I don't have access to a different computer/provider. I think the simplest thing would be to just disable cloudflare and see what happens.