Matter/Anti-Matter in a Vacuum

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The discussion revolves around the nature of virtual particles in the vacuum of space and their potential relationship to the expansion of the universe. Participants explore concepts from quantum field theory and general relativity, questioning whether virtual particles could influence cosmological expansion.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that virtual particles, which are described as matter/antimatter pairs popping in and out of existence, could be linked to the expansion of space.
  • Others argue that virtual particles are a feature of quantum field theory and do not play a role in the expansion of the universe, which is explained by general relativity.
  • A participant questions whether virtual particles can affect photons, seeking clarification on their interactions.
  • Some contributions suggest that while current theories may seem incompatible, future reconciliations between quantum mechanics and general relativity could provide insights into the relationship between virtual particles and cosmic expansion.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the existing cosmological model, despite its limitations, aligns with evidence for expansion and that any connection to virtual particles remains speculative.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of virtual particles in cosmological expansion, with no consensus reached. Some maintain that virtual particles do not influence expansion, while others suggest that future theories might bridge the gap between quantum mechanics and general relativity.

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Limitations include the speculative nature of potential connections between virtual particles and cosmic expansion, as well as the current lack of evidence supporting such interactions. The discussion reflects ongoing debates in theoretical physics regarding the reconciliation of quantum mechanics and general relativity.

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I do not know if this is the place to post this. I am not a great physicist. Actually, I was an Electronic/Electrical Technician before I retired.

I learned that the vacuum of space is filled with matter/antimatter particles popping out of nothing and destroying themselves almost instantly.

My question is are these particles responsible for expanding space?
 
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keeney123 said:
I learned that the vacuum of space is filled with matter/antimatter particles popping out of nothing and destroying themselves almost instantly.

My question is are these particles responsible for expanding space?
Virtual particles ("matter/antimatter particles popping out of nothing and destroying themselves almost instantly") are a feature of perturbative relativistic quantum field theory. In contrast, the expansion of the universe ("expanding space") is a feature of certain solutions to the classical Einstein field equations of general relativity. So the answer to your question is no, virtual particles are not responsible for the expansion.
 
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renormalize said:
Virtual particles ("matter/antimatter particles popping out of nothing and destroying themselves almost instantly") are a feature of perturbative relativistic quantum field theory. In contrast, the expansion of the universe ("expanding space") is a feature of certain solutions to the classical Einstein field equations of general relativity. So the answer to your question is no, virtual particles are not responsible for the expansion.
Thank You for your response.
 
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Am I correct that these Virtual particles can affect photons?
 
renormalize said:
Virtual particles ("matter/antimatter particles popping out of nothing and destroying themselves almost instantly") are a feature of perturbative relativistic quantum field theory. In contrast, the expansion of the universe ("expanding space") is a feature of certain solutions to the classical Einstein field equations of general relativity. So the answer to your question is no, virtual particles are not responsible for the expansion.
Can you elaborate?

There are two theories (I presume currently incompatible because they on opposite sides the the QM/Einsteinian paradox) but that doesn't mean that the effects described don't actually exist.

I think it's like saying "They can't be brothers! This one's farm is in Hatfield territory and that one's farm is in McCoy territory." as if domicile location can inform heredity.

It seems to me - in my poorly-informed education - that the answer to this question has to wait until the we can reconcile QM and Einsteinian GR. For all we know, this umbrella theory could connect expansion and virtual particles - we can't say until have it.

Am I wrong on this?
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Am I wrong on this?
I think so. The current classical ##\Lambda\text{CDM}## model, even with its shortcomings, comports with the bulk of the evidence for cosmological expansion. Looking at QFT on the expanding background does predict particle production, but at a rate far too small to significantly affect the classical predictions. Any suggestion that an eventual quantum gravity might replace the current understanding, that expansion is due to the interaction of classical gravity with matter, radiation and the cosmological constant, by an expansion that is somehow caused by virtual particles, is entirely speculative at this time. All we can say with certainty is that there is currently no evidence that virtual particles affect cosmological expansion, let alone drive it.
 
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I think so. The current classical ##\Lambda\text{CDM}## model, even with its shortcomings, comports with the bulk of the evidence for cosmological expansion. Looking at QFT on the expanding background does predict particle production, but at a rate far too small to significantly affect the classical predictions. Any suggestion that an eventual quantum gravity might replace the current understanding, that expansion is due to the interaction of classical gravity with matter, radiation and the cosmological constant, by an expansion that is somehow caused by virtual particles, is entirely speculative at this time. All we can say with certainty is that there is currently no evidence that virtual particles affect cosmological expansion, let alone drive it.
Ah. That answer gives me the warm and fuzzies.
 
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