Memories of Growing Up in Indiana

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the historical context and implications of a legislative proposal in Indiana to redefine the value of pi. Participants share personal anecdotes related to growing up in Indiana, while also exploring the cultural and educational implications of the bill, as well as its reception and legacy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants recount the proposal to define pi as 3 1/6, highlighting its absurdity and the insular nature of Indiana's legislative discussions.
  • Others express skepticism about the seriousness of the proposal, questioning its legitimacy and the motivations behind it.
  • A participant references a math professor who taught about the bill, suggesting that it was a notable part of Indiana's educational history.
  • Some participants share anecdotes about notable figures from Indiana, such as Senator Dick Lugar, and discuss the broader implications of the bill on science and education.
  • There are mentions of the cultural connotations of the term "Hoosier," with varying interpretations among participants.
  • One participant suggests that the bill was influenced by a senator's personal experience with measuring a race track, indicating a blend of personal anecdote and legislative action.
  • Another participant humorously proposes a new law to define pi in a straightforward manner to avoid future confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of disbelief and humor regarding the legislative proposal, with some sharing personal experiences that reflect a shared cultural identity. However, there is no consensus on the seriousness of the proposal or its implications, leaving the discussion somewhat unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying interpretations of the historical context of the bill and its impact on education, as well as differing opinions on the cultural significance of being a "Hoosier."

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Ah, Indiana. Lived there for years; high school and college there. Maximally insular. The legislature once debated seriously a proposal to define pi as 3 1/6.
 
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selfAdjoint said:
Ah, Indiana. Lived there for years; high school and college there. Maximally insular. The legislature once debated seriously a proposal to define pi as 3 1/6.

I hope you're not serious.
 
selfAdjoint said:
high school and college there

Should this concern us? :rolleyes:
 
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Ivan, I was just giving evidence to support my ability to comment on the Hoosier character.
 
Tony11235 said:
Hermitian said:
Ah, Indiana. Lived there for years; high school and college there. Maximally insular. The legislature once debated seriously a proposal to define pi as 3 1/6.
I hope you're not serious.

It was approved, 67-0:
http://www.cs.uwaterloo.ca/~alopez-o/math-faq/mathtext/node18.html

HOUSE BILL NO. 246

"A bill for an act introducing a new mathematical truth and offered as a contribution to education to be used only by the State of Indiana free of cost by paying any royalties whatever on the same, provided it is accepted and adopted by the official action of the legislature of 1897.

"Section 1. Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Indiana: It has been found that a circular area is to the square on a line equal to the quadrant of the circumference, as the area of an equilateral rectangle is to the square on one side. The diameter employed as the linear unit according to the present rule in computing the circle's area is entirely wrong, as it represents the circles area one and one-fifths times the area of a square whose perimeter is equal to the circumference of the circle. This is because one-fifth of the diameter fils to be represented four times in the circle's circumference. For example: if we multiply the perimeter of a square by one-fourth of any line one-fifth greater than one side, we can, in like manner make the square's area to appear one fifth greater than the fact, as is done by taking the diameter for the linear unit instead of the quadrant of the circle's circumference.
In his article, he writes (according to Edington):

"An ex-teacher from the eastern part of the state was saying: 'The case is perfectly simple. If we pass this bill which establishes a new and correct value for pi , the author offers to our state without cost the use of his discovery and its free publication in our school textbooks, while everyone else must pay him a royalty.'" [/color]
 
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selfAdjoint said:
Ivan, I was just giving evidence to support my ability to comment on the Hoosier character.

I was just teasing you about being a Hoosier. :biggrin:
 
Ivan Seeking said:
I was just teasing you about being a Hoosier. :biggrin:


Oy, I hope I'm not a Hoosier!:eek:

One good Hoosier I know is Dick Lugar, the Senator. I was in HS with him. He is pretty sharp, and his effort (which the administration pretty much ignores) to control nuclear material left around by the collapse of the Soviet Union, is one of the worthiest causes I can imagine.
 
My math professor at Butler U, Harry Crull of honored memory, taught us about that bill in the state legislature, he had a copy of the proceedings for us to peruse.
 
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So, science will forever be subjected to the "Hoosier" test?
 
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Hoosiers, like cockroaches, will survive the singularity!
 
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-Split from another thread-
 
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I want to see their buildings.
 
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Just an interesting tidbit of information: in St. Louis, the word "hoosier" has a very different connotation to it, and is basically a synonym for "hick" or "redneck." Thus, when I hear the word, that's what I think of.
 
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I did a presentation on the classic geometry problems that are unsolvable and used that article in it. I believe some nutjob convinced the indiana senate to change the value of pi so that he could "solve" the impossible like doubling the volume of a cube or trisecting an angle with just a straight edge and compass.
 
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To avoid these situations from occurring in the future we could ask the legislature to once and for have a new law that simply writes out the complete number. :smile:
 
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gravenewworld said:
I did a presentation on the classic geometry problems that are unsolvable and used that article in it. I believe some nutjob convinced the indiana senate to change the value of pi so that he could "solve" the impossible like doubling the volume of a cube or trisecting an angle with just a straight edge and compass.

As I heard the story from Professor Crull, one of the senators was a rich man who owned a race track, and got his idea after he measured its circumference and got a different ratio than pi. He then persuaded a committee to consider his theory.
 
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I infer that suggests Indiana is the place to be for aspiring politicians.
 

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