Mesons and bosons, same or different?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between mesons and bosons, exploring whether all bosons can be classified as mesons and examining the characteristics that define each category of particle. The scope includes theoretical definitions and properties of subatomic particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that mesons are a subset of bosons, questioning if all bosons, such as intermediate vector bosons, can be classified as mesons.
  • Others clarify that mesons are specifically defined as particles participating in strong interactions, composed of a quark and an antiquark, while bosons are defined by having an integer spin and obeying Bose-Einstein statistics.
  • Participants mention that photons, gluons, and gravitons are examples of bosons that are not mesons.
  • There is a claim that all atoms with an even number of neutrons are bosons, which is challenged by a participant who points out that the hydrogen atom, having zero neutrons, is also a boson.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the classification of atoms as bosons or fermions based on their nucleons and electrons, with a focus on the implications of counting neutrons, protons, and electrons.
  • Participants discuss the mathematical classification of zero as an even number, with some expressing uncertainty about its status.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the classification of atoms as bosons based on the number of neutrons versus nucleons, and there is no consensus on the implications of zero being an even integer.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the definitions provided, particularly regarding the classification criteria for bosons and mesons, and the assumptions made about neutral atoms and their components.

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Mesons are bosons, but are all bosons mesons e.g. intermediate vector bosons (w and z bosons in the weak interaction)?
 
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No, not all bosons are mesons.

meson:
Any of a family of subatomic particles that participate in strong interactions, are composed of a quark and an antiquark (or a QM linear combination of quark + antiquark combos), and have masses generally intermediate between leptons and baryons.

boson:
Any particle (or composite system) which has a total spin quantum number that is an integer (0,1,2,...) and therefore obeys Bose-Einstein statistics for its quantum state.
 
Photons, gluons, and gravitons are bosons, but none of them are mesons. Also all atoms with an even number of neutrons are bosons.
 
"Also all atoms with an even number of neutrons are bosons."

Actually, the hydrogen atom has zero neutrons, but is a boson. For example see:
http://focus.aps.org/story/v2/st22

The hydrogen nucleus, on the other hand, is a fermion. The deuterium atom, which has a neutron, a proton, and an electron, is a fermion. A given atom will alternate between being a boson and a fermion as you strip electrons off of it. This is cause electrons are fermions and have to be counted along with the neutrons and protons in the nucleus. The nucleus for a given atom will always be a boson or fermion. See wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boson#Composite_bosons
 
"Also all atoms with an even number of neutrons are bosons"

He hust have meant "even number of nucleons";
since all even-even nucleis have total Angular momentum J = 0
 
actually he did mean "even number of neutrons" cause as has been said, in an atom (key word here- neutral atom is assumed) you count the electrons, neutrons and protons.

A neutral atom always has # electrons = # protons. This always yields an even number. So atoms with even numbers of neutrons PLUS the hydrogen atom are bosons.

I don't know if zero is considered an even integer or not. It has been a long time since I have taken a formal math course.
 
I don't know if zero is considered an even integer or not. It has been a long time since I have taken a formal math course.

0 is an even number. It certainly is not odd, so be all usual rules of arithmetic, it is even.

The usual definition is a number is even if there is no remainder when divided by 2.
 

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