MHD Generator Performance with Ionised Gas

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The discussion revolves around the performance of Magnetohydrodynamic (MHD) generators when using ionized gas compared to plasma. Participants explore the definitions and distinctions between plasma and ionized gas, and whether these differences affect the functionality of MHD generators.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether using simple ionized gas instead of plasma would yield the same performance in an MHD generator.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the distinction between "plasma" and "ionized gas."
  • A participant defines plasma as a state where gas is divided into electrons and ions, while ionized gas consists of gas molecules that are ionized, suggesting that both should behave similarly in an MHD context.
  • Some participants express a belief that common sense indicates no significant difference in performance between plasma and ionized gas in MHD generators.
  • One participant references a link to support their view that the behavior of plasma and ionized gas is not much different in MHD applications.
  • Another participant raises the point that an ionized gas with a nonzero net charge may experience repulsive forces between like-charged particles, questioning the assumption that these forces are negligible in MHD systems.
  • A later reply asserts that while the performance will not be the same, an MHD generator can still function with any mass containing charged particles, including ionized gas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the performance of MHD generators would be the same with ionized gas as with plasma. While some believe there is no significant difference, others highlight potential issues related to net charge and repulsive forces, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the implications of using ionized gas versus plasma in MHD generators, and there are unresolved questions regarding the effects of net charge and particle interactions.

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I want to that instead of plasma, if just ionised gas is used in an MHD Generator, will it work in the same way.
As per this wikipedia page, plasma is necessary for functioning of an MHD Generator. But, what I want to know is if just simple ionised gas is used instead of plasma, will the generator perform in the same way?
As per my little knowledge of physics, there is no reason that it wouldn't. Because whether plasma or ionised gas, both will perform in the same manner while passing through a magnetic field.
 
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What distinction are you drawing between "plasma" and "ionized gas"?
 
Plasma is when gas is divided into electron and ion (sometimes just the nucleus) while ionised gas means gas molecules are ionised. In short, for plasma the grand total charge is zero as the number of free electrons and positively charges ions are same. While for ionised gas it's either positive or negative.
But, as per my little knowledge of physics, the effect can't be different.
 
My common sense tells me that there should be no difference, but to be assured I have posted this site. But as there is no reply, then I can conclude that it can be possible. At least there is no theoretical opposition to it.
 
https://www.researchgate.net/post/what_is_the_difference_between_plasma_and_gas_discharge
 
I have clearly said what I want to mean by Plasma. Whatsoever, as per the link, the behaviour of plasma and ionised gas isn't much different while being used in MHD generators. That's my conclusion.
 
T C said:
Whatsoever, as per the link, the behaviour of plasma and ionised gas isn't much different while being used in MHD generators. That's my conclusion.
An ionized gas with nonzero net charge will have repulsive forces between the like charged particles. Are you concluding that those forces are negligible in MHD?
 
T C said:
But, what I want to know is if just simple ionised gas is used instead of plasma, will the generator perform in the same way?
It definitely won't perform 'the same way', but it'll still work. It will work with any mass what contains charged particles.
Salted water included.
 
That's the kind of answer that I want to hear so far.
 

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