Miranda's Cliffs: Surviving a 12 Mile High Fall

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The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of falling from a 12-mile high cliff on Miranda, a moon of Uranus. Participants explore the implications of such a fall, considering factors like gravity, impact velocity, and survival possibilities, while assuming the presence of an adequate spacesuit.

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  • One participant suggests that a fall from Miranda's cliffs would result in a maximum speed of around 90 miles per hour, proposing the possibility of landing safely with a futuristic airbag due to the moon's lower gravity.
  • Another participant provides the acceleration due to gravity on Miranda as 0.079 m/s² and discusses how to calculate the velocity at impact, emphasizing the variability of human survival limits based on individual factors like age and fitness.
  • A different contribution details the calculations for surface gravity and escape velocity on Miranda, concluding that a 12-mile fall on Miranda equates to a significantly shorter fall of approximately 139.84 meters on Earth, which raises concerns about survivability.

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Participants express differing views on the survivability of the fall and the calculations related to gravity and impact velocity. There is no consensus on the outcome of such a fall, and multiple competing models and assumptions are presented.

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Limitations include the assumptions made about the spacesuit's effectiveness, the variability in human physiology affecting survival, and the reliance on specific gravitational and physical constants that may vary based on different sources.

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If you fell off one of Miranda's 12 mile high cliffs. what would happen? Would you die? Assuming you are wearing an adequate spacesuit.
 
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The jumper would max out at around only 90 miles per hour and might even be able to land safely with some sort of futuristic airbag!

The fall would take so much more time because Miranda is much smaller than Earth. That means it has less gravity. In fact, the gravity is only 0.008 times as strong there as compared to Earth.
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0.079 m/s² is the value given here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_(moon)
as the acceleration due to gravity on the surface of Miranda.

Do you know to figure out the velocity at impact? This, in turn, gives you an approximate value for impulse. Sort of the amount "wham" you experience from impact. This would be what you have to survive.

@Keith_McClary gave you a nice answer using cartoons. Maybe that answers it.

You should also realize humans have limits that vary from person to person for surviving falls. Age is a big factor. Mass of the falling person. Bone density. Fitness. Couch potatoes likely will fare worse.
 
Surface gravity is ##a=GM/R^2## and escape velocity is ##v=\sqrt{2GM/R}##. For Miranda, ##v=183m/s## and equatorial radius is 235,800m. [That's the data I found at https://solarviews.com/eng/miranda.htm ] so we can calculate the surface gravity from the radius and escape velocity as ##a= v^2/2R = 33,489/(2\cdot 235800) = 0.07101145 m/s^2##. The surface gravity of Earth being ##9.80665 m/s^2## gives us a ratio of 0.00724.

So, since equivalent speeds (of impact) correspond to equivalent kinetic energies and that would correspond to equivalent potential energies of falling (mass times acceleration times distance fallen) we see that the 12 mile fall or 19,312 meter fall on Miranda equates to a 139.84 meter (459.8 foot) fall on Earth, (about 42 stories in standard building height). Not something I'd be willing to experience.
 
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