Moles of a conjugate base in a buffer solution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the moles of sodium acetate needed to create a buffer solution with a specific pH of 5.70, given a certain amount of acetic acid and the use of the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation. The context is primarily homework-related, focusing on the application of theoretical concepts in a practical scenario.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the problem involves using the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation to find the moles of sodium acetate needed, given 0.0200 moles of acetic acid and the pKa of acetic acid.
  • Another participant suggests that the concentration of the acid is not necessary for the calculation.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the need for volume in the calculations, indicating that the problem does not provide one.
  • There are hints that the volume cancels out in the ratio of concentrations, implying that the ratio of moles can be used directly without specific volume values.
  • One participant mentions using a volume from a lab titration to arrive at an answer, but expresses uncertainty about its correctness.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the ratio of concentrations is equivalent to the ratio of moles when dealing with the same solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the specific volume is not necessary for the calculation, but there is some uncertainty regarding the application of the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation and the role of volume in the context of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of clarity regarding the assumptions about the volume and concentration relationships in the context of the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation, as well as the specific requirements of the homework problem.

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Homework Statement


You need to produce a buffer solution that has a pH of 5.70. You already have a solution that contains 0.0200 moles of acetic acid. Using the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation calculate the moles of sodium acetate needed to create a buffer with the desired pH? The Ka of acetic acid is 1.8 × 10^-5.

Homework Equations


pKa = -log (Ka)
pH= pKa + log (base / acid)

The Attempt at a Solution


pKa= -log (1.8 × 10^-5) = 4.74
5.70 = 4.74 + log (base/acid)
Unfortunately, I have been staring at this problem for about an hour and am unsure how to find the concentration of the acid to discover the consent ration of the base. I am not sure how to proceed since the problem does not give a volume to find the molarity.
Any help with this would be greatly appreciated!
 
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Hint: you don't need the acid concentration.

C_A = \frac {n_A} {V}
C_B = \frac {n_B} {V}

\frac {C_A}{C_B} = ...
 
I appreciate your responce, any responce really. Although, your equation set seems to need a volume as well, and the problem I am to work out does not include one. That is a big area I am being messed up. As well as the problem states to use that particular equation to find the moles of base needed.
 
alr1014 said:
Although, your equation set seems to need a volume as well

Plug concentrations into ratio and see what happens. V/V = ?
 
Borek said:
Hint: you don't need the acid concentration.

C_A = \frac {n_A} {V}
C_B = \frac {n_B} {V}

\frac {C_A}{C_B} = ...
Since the problem called for using the henderson-hasselbalch equation, and that entails using the concentration of the acid, I used the volume used in the lab for the titration (25 mL). Not sure if that is right... but I got an answer. I will check with a few of my class mates before lab in the morning. Thank you for your help.
 
You don't need any specific volume.

V/V = 1 - volume cancels out. Ratio of concentrations (if these are concentrations in the same solution) is identical to the ratio of numbers of moles.
 
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Borek said:
You don't any specific volume.

V/V = 1 - volume cancels out. Ratio of concentrations (if these are concentrations in the same solution) is identical to the ratio of numbers of moles.
That very simple answer was probably the best answer you could have given me! Tha k you so very much for having the patience for dealing with slightly dense people like me!
 
alr1014 said:
That very simple answer was probably the best answer you could have given me!

I hoped you will see it by yourself. You will learn much more when you put an effort and find such things by yourself, than when they are presented on a silver plate.
 

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