Moral Principles Learned via Social Osmosis

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The discussion centers around the nature of moral principles and their acquisition, particularly through the concept of social osmosis. Participants explore the relationship between morality, intelligence, and instinct, while examining the implications of education versus indoctrination in shaping ethical behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that moral actions arise from intelligence and the ability to choose differently, suggesting that moral principles are learned through social osmosis.
  • Another participant disagrees with the connection between morality and intelligence, proposing that morality resembles instinct more closely.
  • Some participants agree that "moral" and "ethical" are interchangeable in modern English.
  • A viewpoint is presented that emotions play a role in appreciating the well-being of others, with intelligence being used to navigate those emotions into moral actions.
  • There is a suggestion that self-discipline and integrity, often referred to as "moral fiber," are crucial for executing moral plans, with some arguing that these qualities are more emotional than rational.
  • One participant posits that both fear and morality can lead to rational responses, indicating a complex interplay between emotion and reason in moral decision-making.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the relationship between morality, intelligence, and instinct. While some find common ground on the interchangeability of "moral" and "ethical," the broader discussion remains unresolved with competing views on the nature of moral principles and their origins.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of moral behavior, noting the influence of various emotional and rational factors without reaching a consensus on the definitions or implications of these concepts.

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Moral Principles Learned via Social Osmosis

I came across this statement “for everything human beings do by intelligence rather than instinct, any course of conduct they choose when they might have chosen differently, is a moral action” in “The Metaphysical Club” by Louis Menand and it stopped me in my tracks. I had to study this statement and make a decision about its validity.

I consider the words ‘moral’ and ‘ethical’ to be interchangeable.

We all have the ability to do harm or to do good to other people; and we all are fully aware of that capacity. How can we know this? We can know this because we are capable of imaginatively placing our self into the boots of the other person?

Young children know this, as is evident by there shouts of condemnation:
“That’s not fair!”—“She won’t share!”—“He hit me and I didn’t do anything to him!”—“He promised!”—“Cheater, Cheater!”—“Liar, Liar!”—“It’s my turn!”

I suspect most of us, adults and children; learn these ‘ethical principles’ through social osmosis (without conscious effort). We ‘know’ these principles of ethical behavior but often fail to practice them because there are always so many other forces pulling us in another direction.

The forces pulling us into unethical behavior are many; for example, ego and social centric forces, self-delusion, selfishness, and especially because of our ignorance and the complexity of the problems we face.

Webster defines educate as—to develop mentally, morally, or aesthetically [beauty] especially by instruction. Webster defines indoctrinate as—to imbue [infuse] with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle.

I think that it is imperative for each adult to become conscious (aware plus attention) of the difference between these two terms--‘educate’ and ‘indoctrinate’--and also to recognize just how much of our attitude toward matters of ethics results from our education or from our indoctrination.

I agree with the statement in the first paragraph, do you? I find it I to be staggering to realize this to be a fact, do you?
 
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I'm mostly writing in the [thread=266211]other current morality thread[/thread] but I thought I'd drop in here. I don't agree with that first statement at all. Not only do morality and the exercise of intelligence not seem connected to me, morality seems most similar to an instinct to me.

But I do agree that the words "moral" and "ethical" are interchangeable, at least in modern English.
 
CaptainQuasar said:
I'm mostly writing in the [thread=266211]other current morality thread[/thread] but I thought I'd drop in here. I don't agree with that first statement at all. Not only do morality and the exercise of intelligence not seem connected to me, morality seems most similar to an instinct to me.

But I do agree that the words "moral" and "ethical" are interchangeable, at least in modern English.



I think that we have an emotion for appreciating the well being of another. What we do with that emotion would be a job for our imagination and reason, i.e. our intelligence.
 
coberst said:
I think that we have an emotion for appreciating the well being of another. What we do with that emotion would be a job for our imagination and reason, i.e. our intelligence.

I do agree with that to some degree. I think that we have a sense for what is right and what is wrong in a given situation. I think that we use imagination and reason to codify what that sense tells us into moral principles that are easier to apply to complex situations, and certainly for how to plan to behave morally.

But I think that what allows one to carry out a plan to behave morally is self-discipline and integrity, which frequently gets called "moral fiber". And that seems like something closer to the realm of emotion than reason, though perhaps it's a third thing of its own right.
 
CaptainQuasar said:
I do agree with that to some degree. I think that we have a sense for what is right and what is wrong in a given situation. I think that we use imagination and reason to codify what that sense tells us into moral principles that are easier to apply to complex situations, and certainly for how to plan to behave morally.

But I think that what allows one to carry out a plan to behave morally is self-discipline and integrity, which frequently gets called "moral fiber". And that seems like something closer to the realm of emotion than reason, though perhaps it's a third thing of its own right.


I would say that the emotion of fear will lead me to develop a rational response and the emotion of morality will, in the same manner, lead me to develop a rational response. My character will be reflected in any action to which my reason leads me.
 

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