Navigating the Career Confusion: From Liberal Arts to Engineering and Beyond

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The discussion revolves around a first-year college student's uncertainty regarding career choices, particularly the transition from liberal arts to engineering. The conversation explores the student's fears about the demands of an engineering career, their skills and interests, and the viability of pursuing a law degree versus a STEM field. The scope includes personal reflections, career advice, and considerations of market trends in various professions.

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Main Points Raised

  • The student expresses a desire to impact lives through their work but is uncertain about pursuing engineering due to stereotypes and personal challenges with math and science.
  • Some participants suggest that the student may not be suited for a career requiring higher math and programming skills, questioning their ability to succeed in engineering courses.
  • There are suggestions to explore alternative careers, such as law or private investigation, with emphasis on the competitive nature of law school and the potential for non-traditional law careers.
  • Concerns are raised about the job market for lawyers, with some participants noting that many regret attending law school and shift to STEM fields or medicine.
  • The student acknowledges the importance of volunteer work to gain perspective on helping others and considers the balance between cubicle work and more dynamic job roles.
  • There is a discussion about the practicality of engineering work, with the student referencing the types of projects engineers undertake, such as designing infrastructure and medical devices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the suitability of engineering for the student, with some suggesting alternative career paths while others emphasize the importance of personal interest and hard work. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best path forward for the student.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the student's weak background in math and science as a potential barrier to success in engineering, while also noting that some individuals with similar challenges have succeeded. The conversation reflects a variety of personal experiences and opinions on career viability without reaching a consensus.

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Some background information:
I am a first year college student with only vague ideas of what he wants to do in life. I have recently considered engineering as my major. Admittedly I do not need to know what I'm going to do for the rest of my life just yet, but the problem is I have vague ideas. My skills are in: communicating, memorizing, researching, and writing. I consider myself good at listening to and caring for other people, and I know for sure I'd like to impact a huge amount of lives somehow. Whether that's contributing to the building of infrastructure in third world countries, or inventing some new device, I'd love to do something like that. However, my biggest fear of Engineering is all the stereotypes behind it. I fear the constant all nighters, the heavy Math and Science component (for the record, my Math and Science background is relatively weak. I failed high school chemistry - though that was due to my lack of motivation and depression at the time. Never made it to Physics, and the highest level of Math I just BARELY completed was College Algebra), the lack of a social life, etc. Admittedly engineering, medicine, and other tech jobs are in demand nowadays, but I'd hate to just do something because it'll net me some income. I feel I'd be better suited for a liberal arts degree, but I've witnessed first hand about how that's not a good idea. I understand that it's more of a matter of how BADLY you want it, not necessarily about how smart you are (hard work beats talent and all that good stuff). I'm willing to work around my handicaps in math and science, but even then I fear the engineering life after graduation. I hear that it's not nearly as hands on as people think it is (possibly due to movies like Iron Man which popularized the idea), mostly cubicle work (not that I mind, but I definitely would not want to sit in front of a computer all day everyday, I do that now pretty much, though to my understanding on that subject is that it depends on where you work/what your position is), and you can work up to 12 hours as opposed to the traditional 8.

So, the TL;DR version - confused on life, want a job after I graduate, market isn't booming for what I would be better suited toward, not sure if engineering is worth it or would even make sense for me to do.

Some other info about me:
-love computers, have yet to try programming but I did try coding once and didn't like it
-want my work to be a balance of sedentary and nomadic, ideally I wouldn't be lodged up in a cubicle all day
-type 1 diabetic with a medical device, interested in how things work, but wouldn't necessarily pursue that knowledge outside of school work
-originally considering majoring in political science and going to law school, but bad job prospects and hearing how much lawyers hated their jobs discouraged me
-would like to make a lot of money
 
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You don't sound like the type that is cut-out for a career involving higher math and computer programming. Of course, some people with degrees in the hard sciences find jobs that don't require them to deal with hard science, but they have to get through the college courses first.

What math courses have you taken in college?

You mention thoughts of inventing things or constructing things. What kind of practical problems have you worked on? (I don't mean any grand problems. I mean: Do you work on simple tasks like trying to get a cabinet door to close properly? - do you think about better ways to rearrange furniture a room? )

I suggest investigating a career as a lawyer more thoroughly. Entrance to "top" law schools is probably competitive. Your realisitic prospects might be to get a law degree from a mnor school or a night school. Actively try to find examples of people with law degrees that don't work as traditional lawyers. Talk to some of them.

A random thought: Look into what a modern private investigator does. How hard is it be licensed in your state ? If you are licensed while still in college, it could give you some part time work as an employee of some agency - you wouldn' t have to set up your own office. My limited contact with investigators gives the impression that they do much of their work on computers. Their firms subscribe to data services not available to the general public.

Before you decide you want a career in helping people, try volunteering to help some. You will find people with very serious problems. It may be less depressing to work in a cubicle than to face situations like that.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
You don't sound like the type that is cut-out for a career involving higher math and computer programming. Of course, some people with degrees in the hard sciences find jobs that don't require them to deal with hard science, but they have to get through the college courses first.

What math courses have you taken in college?

You mention thoughts of inventing things or constructing things. What kind of practical problems have you worked on? (I don't mean any grand problems. I mean: Do you work on simple tasks like trying to get a cabinet door to close properly? - do you think about better ways to rearrange furniture a room? )

I suggest investigating a career as a lawyer more thoroughly. Entrance to "top" law schools is probably competitive. Your realisitic prospects might be to get a law degree from a mnor school or a night school. Actively try to find examples of people with law degrees that don't work as traditional lawyers. Talk to some of them.

A random thought: Look into what a modern private investigator does. How hard is it be licensed in your state ? If you are licensed while still in college, it could give you some part time work as an employee of some agency - you wouldn' t have to set up your own office. My limited contact with investigators gives the impression that they do much of their work on computers. Their firms subscribe to data services not available to the general public.

Before you decide you want a career in helping people, try volunteering to help some. You will find people with very serious problems. It may be less depressing to work in a cubicle than to face situations like that.
Oh definitely - I'd agree with you. However, in terms of marketability, lawyers aren't doing well nowadays. I have read of several stories of people who regret going to law school. They then go into a STEM field or even medicine. Even some law schools are advising against going there.

As for practical things - I don't know if I can answer that one either. When I said that I was giving some examples of how I could "change the world" as an engineer. Engineers after all do design those kinds of things (bridges, buildings, medical devices, etc) no?

I definitely agree with your assessment of volunteer work. However, I'm not necessarily "knocking" the cubicle life. I just wouldn't want to spend all of my job working in one. Like at times I'd get to work in the cubicle and other times I'd get to do other stuff. Perhaps that's asking too much working for a big name company, but my overall point is that I wouldn't want to spend every single waking hour in a cubicle.
 
MillenniumCreed said:
Oh definitely - I'd agree with you. However, in terms of marketability, lawyers aren't doing well nowadays. I have read of several stories of people who regret going to law school. They then go into a STEM field or even medicine. Even some law schools are advising against going there.

If you plan your life according to statistical trends, you need to be in the trend yourself. Statistically speaking, how many students who have big trouble with pre-calculus level math and science in college are able to graduate with an excellent academic record as engineers? No doubt a few are, but are you going to count on being one of them? If you count on bucking that trend, why worry about other trends?

As for practical things - I don't know if I can answer that one either.
Surely you can answer the question of whether you spend time on simple practical problems.

When I said that I was giving some examples of how I could "change the world" as an engineer. Engineers after all do design those kinds of things (bridges, buildings, medical devices, etc) no?

No, most engineers do not design big important projects. They may do bits and pieces of an important project. There is more engineering work in fixing and remodeling projects that someone else designed than in designing new projects.

I definitely agree with your assessment of volunteer work. However, I'm not necessarily "knocking" the cubicle life. I just wouldn't want to spend all of my job working in one. Like at times I'd get to work in the cubicle and other times I'd get to do other stuff. Perhaps that's asking too much working for a big name company, but my overall point is that I wouldn't want to spend every single waking hour in a cubicle.

If you work for someone else, you can't be choosy. The majority of people work as employees of someone or something else. This automatically puts them in a passive posture - which is fine for most people since they don't want the problems of being independent operators. However, are you also taking a passive position to investigating career opportunities? Are you just reading about job trends? - not going out and talking to people about their jobs? - not investigating any career in depth?
 

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