New 135mm/f2.8 Lens & Rig: My Experiences So Far

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The discussion revolves around the experiences of a participant using a new 135mm/f2.8 lens for astrophotography, including challenges with tracking and alignment while capturing images of celestial objects. The scope includes practical application and technical issues related to astrophotography equipment and techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • A participant describes their setup with a 135mm/f2.8 lens and a piggyback rig on a telescope, noting concerns about tracking and alignment.
  • They mention difficulties in identifying celestial objects due to misalignment and external light interference.
  • Suggestions are made to practice tracking fixed objects to improve skills.
  • Another participant recommends using an OM-1 camera for astrophotography, citing its advantages for minimizing vibration and handling tracking errors.
  • There is a discussion about the limitations of the DSI camera's resolution due to its filter grid, with a participant expressing disappointment about this aspect.
  • A later reply questions the diagnosis of periodic error provided by Meade tech support, suggesting that the participant's tracking issue occurs too quickly to be classified as periodic error.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the tracking issues, with some suggesting it is a problem of periodic error while others believe it is a different type of tracking error. There is no consensus on the best approach to resolve these issues.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions about tracking errors and the effectiveness of different equipment, but these assumptions remain unresolved within the discussion.

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I bought a new toy to play with. It's a 135mm/f2.8 lens I found used at B&H Photo for $39. I cut a hole in the back lens cap, glued a t-thread spacer to it, and built a little piggy-back rig for it and my DSI. Its pretty heavy, so I was a little worried that my ETX wouldn't be able to handle it (I have a counterweight on the bottom-aft), but it did a pretty good job (my usual periodic jerkiness tracking problem notwithstanding). I get about 2 degrees of field of view, which is about perfect for most open clusters and larger galaxies/nebulae.

The piggyback rig isn't quite aligned with the telescope, so I don't think I actually got M-39 in the one pic, but it's a decent pic anyway: lots of stars in the area - so many, in fact, that I can't really identify the area on my planetarium program. Clouds were moving in so fast, I made no attempt to be sure I was on target after slewing away from M-13. From centering M-13, it looks like the piggyback rig is canted up about a degree, and I made some adjustments for next time.

The weather should be clearer in the next few days(and the moon will be moving out of the way), so I'll hopefully get some better pics. I'll set up in a better area, too - these pics were taken outside my apartment, with a big floodlight 20 feet away, pointed directly at the scope.

If I can get my tracking issues worked out and get some luck with long exposures, I may buy a DSI Pro. I'm a little disappointed that the DSI uses a grid of filters to get color, making the effective resolution about a quarter what the advertised resolution is. Otherwise, I may just go back to a webcam for planetary work.
 

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Try 'tracking' a fixed object first [streetlights are good] and see what happens.
 
russ_watters said:
If I can get my tracking issues worked out and get some luck with long exposures, I may buy a DSI Pro. I'm a little disappointed that the DSI uses a grid of filters to get color, making the effective resolution about a quarter what the advertised resolution is. Otherwise, I may just go back to a webcam for planetary work.
Hey, Russ. To get some experience with piggybacking and tracking, you might want to haunt the pawn shops a bit and get an OM-1. These are the perfect cameras for astrophotography. Light, with removable focusing screens, AND mirror lock-up to minimize vibration. Best of all, you don't need the meter for astrophotograpy, and can get one with a broken meter really cheap. Yes, film is not as user-friendly as digital imagery, but the resolution is wonderful, and it's easier to determine the source of periodic tracking errors with a long film exposure. You could also take some adult-ed courses in film photography and get some free (or cheap) lab time to process your own film and make prints. I've done this at home and it's a blast.
 
Chronos said:
Try 'tracking' a fixed object first [streetlights are good] and see what happens.
I'm not really sure what you mean, but I use streetlights to align my finderscope all the time. It really is a tracking problem, not an unsteady mount problem, if that's what you mean, and I describe it starting with post #59.

An update, though: I spoke with Meade tech support a week ago and the guy I talked to said its periodic error and I should use Autostar's periodic error correction (newly available for the ETX) to correct it. I think he's wrong, as it is my understanding that periodic error occurs slowly over several minutes. My problem happens in less than two seconds: The image jumps ahead (I think its ahead, but need to verify that) in half a second or so, holds for a second, then jumps back. I'll try it, though, just to cover my bases.
 

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