New Nature Paper: Old Ia Supernovae different?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of a new paper suggesting the existence of super-Chandrasekhar mass type Ia supernovae and their potential effects on cosmological measurements. Participants explore the characteristics of these supernovae, their brightness, and the mechanisms that may lead to their formation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the discovery of super-Chandrasekhar Ia supernovae could have significant implications for cosmology, particularly regarding the role of dark energy.
  • It is mentioned that these new type Ia supernovae are reportedly two times brighter than previously understood, suggesting that cosmological distances based on type Ia supernovae may need reevaluation.
  • One participant proposes that the unusual characteristics of this new type Ia supernova cannot be explained by the standard model of a white dwarf accreting from a companion red giant.
  • Another participant suggests that a collision between two white dwarfs could be a possible explanation for the observed phenomena.
  • Additionally, a participant mentions the possibility that a white dwarf could have considerable angular velocity as another explanation for the new type Ia supernova.
  • A later reply references an interview with one of the authors of the paper, who discussed both the collision and angular velocity effects as potential mechanisms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the mechanisms behind the new type Ia supernovae, with no consensus reached on a singular explanation. The implications for cosmology and the need for reevaluation of existing models are acknowledged, but remain contested.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of supernova types and the unresolved nature of the mechanisms proposed for the new type Ia supernovae.

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A http://www.arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0609616" claims that a super-Chandrasekhar Ia supernova has been found, and that "Super-Chandrasekhar mass SNe Ia should preferentially occur in a young stellar population."

This, obviously, could have implications for cosmology. These "new" supernovae can be identified spectroscopically, so such supernovae data can be checked for this new type.

My guess is that isn't going to be enough to make a cosmological constant/dark energy go away.

Edit: I meant to start this thread in the Astrophysics Forum, but I guees it's OK here.
 
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Apparently new type Ia are two times brighter than previously thought so cosmological distances that are based on typeIa novae may need to be reevaluated.
 
This new SNIa is unsual and cannot be explained by the normal mechanism, i.e. white dwarf accreting from a companion red giant. One possible explanation for this case is two white dwarfs colliding.
 
another explanation that i read was that the white dwarf could have had considerable angular velocity.
 
mathman said:
One possible explanation for this case is two white dwarfs colliding.

sdemjanenko said:
another explanation that i read was that the white dwarf could have had considerable angular velocity.

Yesterday I heard an http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/media/2006-2007/mp3/qq-2006-09-23b.mp3" with one of the authors, and he mentioned both effects.
 
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