Nonlinear ODE System: Computing w' & Finding R

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a nonlinear ordinary differential equation (ODE) system defined by the equations v' = u(u² - 1) and u' = v - u. Participants are tasked with computing the derivative w' of the function w = u² + v² and finding the largest radius R such that the solution curve (u, v) remains within a circle of radius R, ensuring that the solution tends to (0, 0) as t approaches infinity.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the chain rule to differentiate w and expresses difficulty with the second part of the question regarding the radius R.
  • Another participant computes w' and proposes that w is a Lyapunov function, indicating a need to find the conditions under which w is monotonically decreasing to prove stability at the origin.
  • Concerns are raised about the conditions for w' to be negative, with specific cases discussed where u and v are both positive or both negative, leading to potential issues with w' being positive in those regions.
  • Further inquiries are made regarding the simplification of the inequality derived from w' to establish clearer conditions for monotonicity.
  • Participants discuss the factorization of the inequality and the implications of the signs of the factors involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the conditions under which w' is guaranteed to be negative, as participants express differing views on the implications of the signs of u and v. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions for stability and the largest radius R.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps necessary to establish the conditions for w' being negative, and there are dependencies on the definitions and assumptions related to the behavior of u and v.

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Given the ODE system:
v' = u(u2-1)
u' = v-u

Define w=u2+v2. Compute w'.
Find the largest radius R for which u2+v2<R so that the if the solution curve (u,v) is inside that circle the solution tends to (0,0) as t--> +[tex]\infty[/tex]


Any guidance would be appriciated !
 
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First, use the chain rule of differentiation and the expressions for [itex]u'[/itex] and [itex]u'[/itex] to find [itex]w'[/itex]. Please show us the result of your work.
 
sorry I forgot to mention I only had difficulty with the second part of the question.

W'= 2uu'+2vv'=2u[v-u]+2v[u(u2-1)]=2vu-2u2+2vu3-2uv
W' = -2u2+2vu3

I think (but perhaps I'm mistaken) W is suppose to be a lyoponouv function and I'm suppose to find the radius R in which W is monotically decreasing thus proving that the origin is stable fixed point (so every solution tends to the origin) in the said circle.

so my problem is the second part, how to find the radius R in which W is monotically decreasing, if what I've written earlier is even correct..

thank you for your reply :-)
 
What is the condition so W(t) would monotonically decrease?
 
W'=-2u2+2vu3<0

v>0, u<0 no problem
v<0, u>0 no problem

u,v both positive or both negitive are problematic because W' can be positive in those regions, no ?
 
zokomoko said:
W'=-2u2+2vu3<0

v>0, u<0 no problem
v<0, u>0 no problem

u,v both positive or both negitive are problematic because W' can be positive in those regions, no ?

This is not correct.
 
Could you please elaborate ?
 
Simplify the inequality you got to get a simpler relation.
 
zokomoko said:
Could you please elaborate ?

You can factorize the inequality you got. Then use the following rule:

[tex] A B < 0 \Leftrightarrow \left[\begin{array}{l}<br /> \left\{\begin{array}{l}<br /> A > 0 \\<br /> <br /> B < 0<br /> \end{array}\right. \\<br /> <br /> \left\{\begin{array}{l}<br /> A < 0 \\<br /> <br /> B > 0<br /> \end{array}\right.<br /> \end{array}\right.[/tex]
 

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