Notation Question (Differential Equations)

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The discussion centers on the notation used in the Predator-Prey (Lotka-Volterra) model, specifically the expression of population changes as proportional to the product of the two populations. Participants debate whether writing the equations as dx/dt ∝ xy and dy/dt ∝ xy constitutes an abuse of notation. It is established that while the interaction rate is proportional to the product of the populations, the full Lotka-Volterra equations include additional terms that must be considered. The correct formulation involves defining dx/dt = rx + p_{interact} and dy/dt = sy + q_{interact}, where p_{interact} = axy and q_{interact} = bxy.

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I want to show, in a talk, how to build the Predator-Prey (Lotka Volterra) model. It starts off with the "Population Law of Mass Action" i.e. "At time t the rate of change of one population due to interaction with another is proportional to the product of the two populations at that time t"


Is it an abuse of notation to write this (for populations x (predator) and y(the prey)) as:

##\frac{dx}{dt} \propto xy ##
##\frac{dy}{dt} \propto xy ##



I think it's ok, I've just never seen this written for a differential equation.

The next step would be to write:

##\frac{dx}{dt} = axy ##
##\frac{dy}{dt} = bxy ##

For some a and b, then start showing what happens when x starts eating y.

-Dave K
 
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dkotschessaa said:
I want to show, in a talk, how to build the Predator-Prey (Lotka Volterra) model. It starts off with the "Population Law of Mass Action" i.e. "At time t the rate of change of one population due to interaction with another is proportional to the product of the two populations at that time t"


Is it an abuse of notation to write this (for populations x (predator) and y(the prey)) as:

##\frac{dx}{dt} \propto xy ##
##\frac{dy}{dt} \propto xy ##



I think it's ok, I've just never seen this written for a differential equation.

That is potentially confusing; the full Lotka-Volterra equations include other terms, so it is not actually true that dx/dt \propto xy etc.

I would start with <br /> \frac{dx}{dt} = rx + p_{\mathrm{interact}} \\<br /> \frac{dy}{dt} = st + q_{\mathrm{interact}}<br /> and then proceed immediately to <br /> p_{\mathrm{interact}} = axy, \\<br /> q_{\mathrm{interact}} = bxy.<br /> I would also make all the coefficients positive and introduce minus signs where necessary.

The important points are that (1) the rate of change due to interaction is proportional to the product of the populations, and (2) the sign of the coefficient depends on who is eating who.
 
pasmith said:
That is potentially confusing; the full Lotka-Volterra equations include other terms, so it is not actually true that dx/dt \propto xy etc.

I would start with <br /> \frac{dx}{dt} = rx + p_{\mathrm{interact}} \\<br /> \frac{dy}{dt} = st + q_{\mathrm{interact}}<br /> and then proceed immediately to <br /> p_{\mathrm{interact}} = axy, \\<br /> q_{\mathrm{interact}} = bxy.<br /> I would also make all the coefficients positive and introduce minus signs where necessary.

The important points are that (1) the rate of change due to interaction is proportional to the product of the populations, and (2) the sign of the coefficient depends on who is eating who.


did you mean ##\frac{dy}{dt} = sy + q_{\mathrm{interact}} ## in your second example?

That's a very good way of explaining it though. Thank you.

-Dave K
 

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