Nth order linear whose auxiliary has repeated roots

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The discussion revolves around solving nth order linear homogeneous differential equations with constant coefficients, particularly focusing on the implications of repeated roots in the auxiliary (characteristic) equation. Participants explore the necessity of multiplying solutions by x for repeated roots and seek proofs or clarifications regarding the independence of these solutions.

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  • One participant outlines the process of obtaining solutions from repeated roots and questions the assurance that multiplying by x yields valid solutions that are linearly independent.
  • Another participant provides a technical explanation using differential operators, demonstrating that both e^{ax} and xe^{ax} are solutions for a double root and establishing their independence through a definition-based argument.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the notation for differential operators and speculates on the commutativity of operator composition, suggesting that induction might be used to prove the general case for higher multiplicity roots.
  • Further exploration of the relationship between the discussion and the Shift Theorem is raised, although it is noted that the theorem is not covered in the participant's textbook.
  • A later reply reiterates the question about the commutativity of differential operator composition, clarifying that it holds under certain conditions regarding constant coefficients.

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Participants express varying degrees of understanding and uncertainty regarding the proofs and implications of their claims. There is no clear consensus on the questions raised about the independence of solutions or the commutativity of differential operators.

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Suppose I am to solve an nth order linear homogenous differential equation with constant coefficients. I set up the auxiliary equation, find its roots, and then each root gives me a solution of the form e^{rx} to the ODE which is linearly independent from the others. But if there are repeated roots, I need to multiply that solution by x each time the root is repeated to obtain a fundamental set containing n elements that are linearly independent.

What assurances are there that the multiplication by x will yield a solution? And that this is linearly independent from all other solutions? Could anyone provide me an outline of the proof, or how I might prove it, or in what textbook I might find a proof?

I have not studied annihilator operators yet or algebra on polynomial differential operators, but might studying these topics perhaps make my task a bit easier?

Thanks!

BiP
 
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If you have, say, a double root, a, to the characteristic equation, part of the equation, at least, must be of the form (D- a)^2y ("D" is the derivative). You can then check that both e^{ax} and xe^{ax} are solutions: (D- a)e^{ax}= D(e^{ax})- ae^{ax}= ae^{ax}- ae^{ax}= 0 so (D- a)^2 e^{ax}= (D- a)0= 0 while (D- a)xe^{ax}= D(xe^{ax})- axe^{ax}= e^{ax}+ axe^{ax}- axe^{ax}= e^{ax}. And then (D- a)^2 xe^{ax}= (D- a)e^{ax}= 0 as before.

The fact that xe^{ax} and e^{ax} are "independent" follows from the definition:
if Axe^{ax}+ Be^{ax}= 0, then, taking x= 0, A(0)+ B(1)= B= 0. Then, taking x= 1, A(e^a)= 0 so that A= 0. Showing that xe^{ax} is independent of other possible solutions, such as e^{bx} is essentially the same.
 
I see. I am quite new to the notation for differential operators, but it is my guess that multiplication of polynomial differential operators is equivalent to composition of those operators on some function y(x), otherwise what you said would not be correct.

Also, if composition of two polynomial differential operators on some function is equivalent to multiplication of polynomials, is the composition of differential operators commutative?

Also, I'm guessing the general case could be proved by induction when there is a root of higher multiplicity in the auxiliary (characteristic) equation.

Also, does my question/your reply have anything to do with the Shift Theorem? It's not in my book, but I found it on Wikipedia, and it seemed very similar.

Thanks!

BiP
 
Here's another way to look at it. Call your linear equation ##L(y) = 0##, where ##L## represents the linear differential operator. When you substitute ##y = e^{rx}## in that you get$$
L(e^{rx}) = p(r)e^{rx}$$where ##p(r)## is the characteristic polynomial. Now suppose ##r=a## is a double root of ##p(r)##, which means that ##p(a) = 0## and ##p'(a)=0##. Now differentiate the above equation with respect to ##r##:$$
\frac\partial {\partial r}L(e^{rx})=
L(\frac\partial {\partial r}e^{rx})=L(xe^{rx})=p'(r)e^{rx} + p(r)xe^{rx}$$Substitute ##r = a## into that, which gives:$$
L(xe^{ax})=p'(a)e^{ax} + p(a)xe^{ax}=0$$which shows ##xe^{ax}## is a solution. Of course, switching the partial with respect to ##r## and the ##L## operator uses properties of derivatives. The argument generalizes to higher order roots.
 
Bipolarity said:
Also, if composition of two polynomial differential operators on some function is equivalent to multiplication of polynomials, is the composition of differential operators commutative?

Thanks!

BiP

So long as the coeffecients on those operators are constant. I.E: ##2D=D2## but ##xD≠Dx##
 

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