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The discussion centers around the use of optical spectrum analyzers (OSA) and the interpretation of their output, specifically regarding why the plots are often represented in negative dB. Participants explore the relationship between optical power measurements and the dB scale, as well as the implications for measuring attenuation in optical fibers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for clarification on why optical spectrum analyzer plots are in negative dB.
  • Another participant suggests that 0 dB corresponds to 1 mW of power and mentions using a Yokogawa spectrum analyzer to measure power out of optical fiber.
  • A participant proposes that attenuation in fiber can be calculated by the difference in power between free space and the power out of the fiber.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between dB and dBm, with one participant noting that dBm is a valid unit for absolute power and suggesting that users verify the reference level of their spectrum analyzer.
  • It is mentioned that attenuation is typically expressed as the difference in input and output power on a dB scale divided by the length of the fiber.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the representation of dB in optical spectrum analyzers, with some agreeing on the relationship between dB and power levels, while others raise questions about the specifics of measurement and units. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of the dB reference in the context of the spectrum analyzer used.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the reference power levels and the specific configurations of the optical spectrum analyzer. The discussion also highlights the potential confusion between dB and dBm, which may depend on the specific equipment used.

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Can anyone explain why optical spectrum analyzer plots are in negative dB
Can anyone explain why optical spectrum analyzer plots are in negative dB
 
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Summary:: Can anyone explain why optical spectrum analyzer plots are in negative dB

Can anyone explain why optical spectrum analyzer plots are in negative dB
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What optical power would correspond to 0dB? :wink:

Also, which optical spectrum analyzer are you using, and are you using it to measure attenuation in optical fiber?
 
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Thanks Berkeman. Appreciate your response. 0 db translates to 1 mW of power. We are using Yokogawa spectrum analyzer. We are measuring power out of the fiber. Please correct me if I am wrong - I think attenuation in the fiber can be calculated by the delta in power between free space power and power out of fiber. Regarding my question as to why there are negative values in OSA spectrum, is it a relative measurement with respect to 1mW power (0 dB).
 
Often (but not always), you'll see dB with respect to 1mW written as units of dBm instead of dB. Its only a valid unit for absolute power. If you're not sure if the dB your spectrum analyzer reports are with respect to 1mW, check if the units say "dBm". If they just say "dB", you may want to test the spectrum analyzer with a signal of known power (like a visual fault indicator, the laser pointer thingy for aligning fibers). Check the signal against a power meter and the spectrum analyzer. (Note: lots of people don't distinguish between dB and dBm so just because your y-axis doesn't say dBm doesn't mean its not with respect to 1mW.)
And yes, the attenuation is typically given as the difference in input and output power on a dB scale (not a linear scale!) divided by the length of the fiber in km.
 
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