Outer product problem of derac notation

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical interpretation of the outer product in Dirac notation, specifically how the expression |a>

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how the multiplication of a ket |a> and a bra
  • Others clarify that the outer product |a>
  • A participant emphasizes the need to understand the special properties of the resulting square matrix and its role in expressing projection.
  • One participant provides an example of how the operator |a> to project the component of |b> that is parallel to |a>, illustrating the projection concept.
  • Another participant requests a matrix format for the kets and bras involved, seeking clarity on how the resulting matrix expresses projection.
  • Some participants suggest that the choice of basis for representing kets and bras is crucial for understanding the projection operation.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the matrix representation of the outer product and its implications for projection. There is no consensus on a definitive explanation, and multiple viewpoints are presented.

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Participants mention the necessity of choosing a basis for the kets and bras, indicating that the representation may depend on the specific context or framework being used.

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why |a><b| expresses the projection...how can it be possible on matrix..if we multiply a ket a with a bra b ...we get a product of two matrix(one is a column matrix,an0ther is row matrix)..from where nothing can be realized very clearly..how this multiplication of matrix can give a projection..??
 
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hasanhabibul said:
why |a><b| expresses the projection...how can it be possible on matrix..if we multiply a ket a with a bra b ...we get a product of two matrix(one is a column matrix,an0ther is row matrix)..from where nothing can be realized very clearly..how this multiplication of matrix can give a projection..??
Think of the ket as a column vector, and the bra as a row vector.
So braket gives a scalar, but ketbra gives a square matrix.
 
I know ket bra is a square matrix...but what is the especiality of this squar matrix??how it expresses projection.
 
(|a><a|)*|b> = <a|b>|a>

It projects from the state |b> the part of it which is parallel to |a>
 
pleasez i know those..but i want the matrix format..if |A>=a
b
c
and <B|={d,e,f}. now perform a matrix multiplication this two matrix..and it will give u a result.and how this odd looking matrix express the projection..that was my question.
 
In what basis do you want to represent the operator |a><b| ?

(|a><a|)*|b> = <a|b>|a>

IS a matrix multiplying the ket |b> !
 
Look at it in a basis where |a> is a basis state
[tex]|a\rangle =\begin{pmatrix} 1\\0\\0\end{pmatrix}[/tex]
then the matrix |a><a| will be
[tex]|a\rangle\langle a|=\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0\\ 0 & 0 & 0\\ 0 & 0 & 0\end{pmatrix}[/tex]
acting with this on any vector
[tex]|b\rangle=\begin{pmatrix} c\\ d\\ e\end{pmatrix}[/tex]
will give you just

[tex](|a\rangle\langle a|)|b\rangle=\begin{pmatrix} c \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix}=\langle a| b\rangle |a\rangle[/tex]

Does this help?
 
u must choose basis of representation for your kets and bras as shown by jensa.
 

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