Parity Selection Rules: I'm Confused

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The discussion centers on the parity selection rules as outlined in section §30 of Landau's "Quantum Mechanics." Participants clarify the behavior of scalar functions under coordinate inversion, specifically addressing the matrix element \( f_{ug} \) and its relationship to odd and even states represented by \( \psi_u \) and \( \psi_g \). The confusion arises from the presence of an additional minus sign when inverting the limits of integrals, leading to the conclusion that \( f_{ug} = -f_{ug} \) is indeed valid under the assumptions of parity invariance for true scalars.

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I'm confused by the discussion in section §30 (Parity of a state), page 98 of Landau's QM. The functions ##\psi_u## and ##\psi_g## are odd an even states respectively. If ##f## is a true scalar, then it should remain unchanged by inversion of the co-ordinates. Writing ##q' = -q##, then its matrix element at position ##(u,g)## is\begin{align*}
f_{ug} = \int \psi_u^*(q) \hat{f}(q) \psi_g(q) dq =-\int [-\psi_u^*(q')] \hat{f}(q') \psi_g(q') dq' = \int \psi_u^*(q') \hat{f}(q') \psi_g(q') dq'
\end{align*}however it is written in the text that ##f_{ug} = -f_{ug}##. What did I mis-understand?
 
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What is ##q##? What are the limits of all those integrals?
 
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Gaussian97 said:
What is ##q##? What are the limits of all those integrals?
Oh yes, thanks, there should be an extra minus sign due to inverting the limits of the third integral.
 
ergospherical said:
I'm confused by the discussion in section §30 (Parity of a state), page 98 of Landau's QM. The functions ##\psi_u## and ##\psi_g## are odd an even states respectively. If ##f## is a true scalar, then it should remain unchanged by inversion of the co-ordinates. Writing ##q' = -q##, then its matrix element at position ##(u,g)## is\begin{align*}
f_{ug} = \int \psi_u^*(q) \hat{f}(q) \psi_g(q) dq =-\int [-\psi_u^*(q')] \hat{f}(q') \psi_g(q') dq' = \int \psi_u^*(q') \hat{f}(q') \psi_g(q') dq'
\end{align*}however it is written in the text that ##f_{ug} = -f_{ug}##. What did I mis-understand?
Where does the additional ##-## sign after the 2nd equality sign come from? This should be absent since ##f(q)=f(-q)## by assumption, if I understand right what you mean by "true scalar", i.e., a scalar under rotations AND parity.
 
ergospherical said:
Oh yes, thanks, there should be an extra minus sign due to inverting the limits of the third integral.
No, why? You have
$$\mathrm{d}^3 q' =\left | \mathrm{det} \frac{\partial(q')}{\partial q} \right| \mathrm{d}^3 q = |-1| \mathrm{d}^3 q=\mathrm{d}^3 q.$$
 
I have taken ##dq’ = -dq##, but in changing variables must also reverse the limits of the integral
\begin{align*}
f_{ug} = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \psi_u^*(q) \hat{f}(q) \psi_g(q) dq &=-\int_{\infty}^{-\infty} [-\psi_u^*(q')] \hat{f}(q') \psi_g(q') dq' \\
&= \int_{\infty}^{-\infty} \psi_u^*(q') \hat{f}(q') \psi_g(q') dq' \\
&= -f_{ug}
\end{align*}
 
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