Particles being in more than one place at once.

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The discussion centers around the concept of particles being in more than one place at once, exploring its implications within quantum mechanics and potential connections to astrophysics and higher dimensions. Participants question the interpretation of quantum phenomena and the nature of reality as suggested by experimental results.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether particles actually exist in multiple locations simultaneously or if this is merely an interpretation of quantum mechanics.
  • There is a suggestion that the probability interpretation of the wavefunction relates to this phenomenon, though its implications are debated.
  • One participant argues that while particles can be described as being in multiple places, this should not be conflated with the idea of being in two places at once.
  • Concerns are raised about the interpretation of quantum mechanics, with one participant expressing skepticism about the reasoning behind certain interpretations, particularly regarding particles passing through multiple holes.
  • Another participant notes that observed experimental results suggest something unusual is occurring, but the underlying message remains unclear, highlighting the limitations of human perception and understanding in the context of quantum mechanics.
  • There is mention of the complexity of quantum uncertainty and the relationship between mathematical formulations and physical reality, emphasizing that mathematical correctness is often validated through observation.
  • A reference is made to another thread discussing "Antitunneling" as a related perspective on particle localization.

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Participants express a range of views, with no consensus reached on the nature of particles being in multiple locations or the validity of various interpretations of quantum mechanics. Disagreement exists regarding the implications of experimental results and the interpretations of quantum phenomena.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the ambiguity in quantum mechanics, including the challenges of reconciling mathematical models with physical observations and the subjective nature of interpretations. Limitations in understanding and the dependence on experimental confirmation are noted.

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Is this something we are sure occurs, or is that just the way it appears? How does this work?
Is this a sign of tiny microscopic unseen dimensions of some sort?
 
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why is this even related to Astrophysics?

This is related to the probability interpretation of the wavefunction, i.e this is quantum mechanics.
 
jreelawg said:
Is this something we are sure occurs, or is that just the way it appears? How does this work?
This is QM, but the concept is more like a particle can be anyplace.
Not the same as being in more than one place at once.
jreelawg said:
Is this a sign of tiny microscopic unseen dimensions of some sort?
I think there is some Astrophysics (as well as some other areas) work being done on "rolled up dimensions".
I'm inclined to say that the words "tiny" and "microscopic" are not particularly meaningful in this context.
 
no where do we a particle in two places at the same time. that wavefunction is necessarily single valued.
 
jreelawg said:
Is this something we are sure occurs, or is that just the way it appears? How does this work?
Is this a sign of tiny microscopic unseen dimensions of some sort?

This (IMHO absurd) interpretation of QM experiments comes for a difficult to understand lack of imagination from the part of many famous physicists. They are saying that the only way a particle passing through a hole could know if there is another hole close by is to simultaneously pass through that hole as well.

I wander how those physicists determine how many doors are open in a room. I would say that they should simply look around, not try to pass through all doors at once:smile:
 
Is this something we are sure occurs, or is that just the way it appears? How does this work?

Well, it appears to work that way via observed experimental results. Something "weird" is apparently happening; the underlying message from the experimental results is not so clear. The bottom line is that quantum mechanics does not conform well to our senses; on the macroscopic level, consider how odd it is that velocity changes distance (length contraction) and time (dilation).

Our senses are very limited; our brains less so.

Relativistic effects on distance obscure measurements on cosmic scales, for example; on the microscopic sub atomic level all sorts of ambiguities arise...momentum vs position,energy versus time, for example...all aspects of quantum uncertainty...there is much to learn.

Another "confusing" aspect of physics is that there is more math than apparently reflected physical reality. The only way we can usually be sure a formulation is "correct" is via observation and experimental confirmation. So math is a valuable tool, but not the ultimate arbitor. And when accurate it is subject to multiple interpretations. I can claim v=c for my rocketship, but that does not make it correct. And look what Einstein did taking results of Lorentz, Poincaire, and Riemann and seeing them differently: relativity!
 
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For another view of "where to find particles" see Antitunneling thread right nearby here...
 

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