Peace Week Plans Canceled: Dispute Over Sculpture Unveiling

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The discussion revolves around the cancellation of a peace week event due to a dispute over the unveiling of a sculpture intended to symbolize peace, specifically a sculpture of a pigeon. Participants explore the implications of the cancellation, the symbolism of pigeons versus doves, and the aesthetic qualities of the sculpture itself.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the symbolism of pigeons as peace symbols, questioning why pigeons are used instead of doves.
  • Others note that in many languages, there is no distinction between pigeons and doves, suggesting that the terms are often interchangeable.
  • A participant humorously suggests that the alliteration of "Peace Pigeon" makes it a more fitting title.
  • Several comments critique the aesthetic of the sculpture, with participants describing it as unattractive and comparing it to other animals, such as penguins and butterflies.
  • There is a suggestion that the decision to lower the sculpture's pedestal may have been influenced by its perceived ugliness.
  • Some participants joke about the implications of the sculpture being unveiled and the potential reactions of local pigeons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not agree on the appropriateness of using pigeons as symbols of peace, nor on the aesthetic value of the sculpture. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on both topics.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying opinions on the artistic merit of the sculpture and its intended symbolism, indicating a lack of consensus on these aspects.

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http://www.bndestem.nl/regio/breda/5534280/Streep-door-onthulling-vredesduif.ece

The start of the peace week would have been added lustre to with the unveiling of a artistic sculpture of a *peace* pigeon. A high level event to attract attention to all aggression in the world and what to do against it. Unfortunately, it was canceled due to a dispute.

It was agreed with the artist that the sculpture would have been placed on a 10 feet pole. However there were unmentioned second considerations later, which resulted in the construction of a much lower pedestal. The scuptor considered this an insult of his work and a breach of the agreement. The dispute was hot and accumulated in legal action and the judge ruled in favor of the artist. The sculpture will not be unveiled and the peace pigeon has been removed

What an exemplary lesson about peace at the start of the peace week. Thoughts?
 
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Yeah, When did pigeons become a symbol of peace? I thought that honor went to doves. I guess peace isn't cheap. A substitute that will return to its cage is preferrable.
 
Huckleberry said:
Yeah, When did pigeons become a symbol of peace? I thought that honor went to doves.

There is no disctinction between pigeons and doves in many languages. For example in Polish they both translate to "gołąb".

Edit: to quote wikipedia:

Pigeons and doves constitute the family Columbidae within the order Columbiformes, which include some 300 species of near passerine birds. In general parlance the terms "dove" and "pigeon" are used somewhat interchangeably. In ornithological practice, there is a tendency for "dove" to be used for smaller species and "pigeon" for larger ones, but this is in no way consistently applied, and historically the common names for these birds involve a great deal of variation between the terms "dove" and "pigeon."
 
Yes let's make more unpeace about doves and pigeons. I think it should be pigeon, because of the alliteration: Peace Pigeon.
 
LOL! The artist was embarrassed about his pole being too short. :biggrin:

Good thing they didn't unveil the sculpture...can you imagine his reaction had any of the park pigeons found his peace pigeon? :smile: (I'd have been encouraging the pigeons to the sculpture by feeding them all week in that spot...:devil:).

It's a pretty ugly looking pigeon anyway.
 
Well it should have been looking like this

http://www.bndestem.nl/multimedia/archive/01175/BS_8436743_8436743_1175951h.jpg

http://www.bndestem.nl/regio/breda/5233969/Oorlogje-rond-Bredase-vredesduif.ece , of last month, it's all about the peace pigeon war, being in full progress then.
 
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Well, peace is the sort of thing you want to get into a heated debate about. And, especially, to get upset enough about to pick up your pigeon and go home.
 
Andre said:
Well it should have been looking like this

http://www.bndestem.nl/multimedia/archive/01175/BS_8436743_8436743_1175951h.jpg

http://www.bndestem.nl/regio/breda/5233969/Oorlogje-rond-Bredase-vredesduif.ece , of last month, it's all about the peace pigeon war, being in full progress then.
I've got to say that's one ugly whirligig, and it bears no resemblance to a dove pigeon, etc. If someone wanted to install that "art" in my town, I would suggest a location below ground, not 10' above.
 
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It looks more like a penguin mated with a butterfly than a pigeon. Maybe it's for the best that the artist went home and took his pigeon with him. Spares the town another public eyesore. Who knows, maybe that WAS the point of putting it on a lower pole, when the people in charge realized the sculpture was really ugly.
 
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Moonbear said:
It looks more like a penguin mated with a butterfly than a pigeon.
:smile: It really does!