Phosphorus in a solution of sodium phosphate

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total mass of phosphorus in a solution containing both mono basic and dibasic sodium phosphate. Participants explore different methods of calculation and the implications of solubility in the context of the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the phosphorus content from mono basic sodium phosphate (MSP) and dibasic sodium phosphate (DSP) and arrives at a total of 163.18 mg/mL, but questions the correctness of this value.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the concentration of MSP, suggesting that 480 mg/mL seems high and encourages verification of the concentrations.
  • A participant mentions that the solution is dissolved in water and glycerin, which may enhance solubility, and presents an alternative calculation method that yields a different total phosphorus mass of 124.36 mg/mL.
  • One participant asserts that the previous calculation of 4 mmol/mL for MSP is also applicable to phosphate ions, implying that the earlier result was correct and that the current discussion may be unnecessarily complicating the issue.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct total mass of phosphorus, with competing calculations and interpretations of the data presented. Disagreement exists regarding the validity of the initial concentration values and the methods used to derive the phosphorus content.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the accuracy of the concentration values provided and the assumptions made in the calculations. The dependence on solubility factors and the definitions of the compounds involved may also influence the results.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in chemistry, particularly those studying solution chemistry and the calculations involved in determining concentrations of elements in compounds.

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1. Homework Statement

I have a solution containing both mono basic (480mg/ml) and dibasic (180mg/ml) sodium phosphate. How do I determine the total mass of phosphorus per ml of the entire solution?

2. Homework Equations

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3. The Attempt at a Solution

Monobasic sodium phosphate (MSP):
(480mg/mL)/(119.98mg/mmol)=4 mmol/mL

Phosphorus in MSP: (30.974 mg/mmol)(4 mmol/mL)=123.90 mg/mL

Dibasic sodium phosphate (DSP)
(180 mg/mL)/(141.96mg/mmol)=1.268 mmol/mL

Phosphorus in DSP: (30.97 mg/mmol)(1.268 mmol/mL)=39.28 mg/mL

Total elemental phosphorus = 123.90+39.28=163.18 mg/mL

However, this answer is not correct. Apparently, the correct answer is 124.36 mg/mL
 
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163 mg/mL looks OK to me.

Are you sure about concentrations given? I have no solubility tables at hand, but 480 mg/mL looks high. Not necessarily impossible, just worth checking.
 
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It is dissolved in water and glycerin, which likely improves the solubility.

I've found an alternative solution to the problem, but now I don't know how to justify one over the other. Can someone explain why the following answer is the correct answer versus the one above?

Here is the alternate solution (using some of the calculations made above):

[MSP]=4 mmol/ml (see above)
[DSP]=1.268 mmol/ml (see above)
Molar mass phosphate ion: 94.97 mg/mmol
Molar mass MSP: 119.98 mg/mmol
Molar mass DSP: 141.96 mg/mmol

Phosphate ion concentration:
[(94.97/119.98)x4 mmol/ml]+[(94.97/141/96)x1.268 mmol/ml]=3.1667+0.8483=4.015 mmol/ml

Elemental phosphorus in phosphate ions:
(30.974 mg/mmol)x(4.015 mmol/ml)=124.36 mg/ml
 
Solution that 4 mmol/mL in MSP is also 4 mmol/mL in phosphate (and sodium).

Your previous answer was correct, now you are just juggling numbers.
 
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