Photo of my RA drive. Its an ETX-105.

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The discussion revolves around troubleshooting issues with an ETX-105 RA drive, focusing on symptoms of oscillation during operation, potential causes related to lubrication, and the impact of environmental conditions on performance. Participants explore both mechanical and electronic aspects of the drive system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the RA drive oscillates intermittently during electronic operation, suggesting it may be an electronic issue, while the mechanical movement appears smooth when moved by hand.
  • Another participant raises the possibility of a small piece of debris causing binding in the gears, recommending observation of the gear operation for periodic patterns that could correlate with the oscillations.
  • Concerns are expressed about excessive grease potentially causing drive issues, especially in cold conditions, with suggestions to clean the drive gear assembly and consider using a lighter lubricant.
  • Discussion includes the Autostar feature that corrects for backlash, with questions about its influence on tracking rates and whether adjustments might improve performance.

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Participants express varying views on the causes of the oscillation, with some attributing it to electronic issues and others suggesting mechanical binding due to grease. There is no consensus on the best approach to resolve the issue, and multiple competing hypotheses remain.

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Participants mention the potential impact of environmental conditions on the performance of the RA drive, particularly in cold weather, and the need for appropriate lubrication to prevent binding.

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Attached is a photo of my RA drive. Its an ETX-105. The only visible problem is too much grease, but that's not a fatal issue. There are no chipped teeth, burrs, or anything else visible that could cause the problem.

I watched run it for several minutes, then turned the scope off and moved it by hand. Moving it by hand, everything appears smooth. When electronically driven, every now and then, for no reason I can see, it starts oscillating back and forth for about a second, then resumes moving (and corrects itself). It does not happen at regular intervals - sometimes it happens 5 times in 10 seconds, sometimes the drive runs smooth for minutes at a time. Seems to me like it could be an electronic issue.

Do you know much about the new Autostar feature, "[drive] percent"? It corrects for backlash and "looseness" (the gears have to move a little before they start moving the scope) in the drive when manually slewing. I've gotten good results with it fixing issues like "creep after beep" and slow response times, but could that have anything to do with the tracking rate? Perhaps I need to play with those values some more...

I think I'll call Meade tech support to see what they have to say.
 

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Since you have looked at the drive train while it was operating, did you notice if any of the gears have a period of 30 seconds or so (or any period that could divide evenly into the minimum period of the oscillations)? There could be a very tiny piece of plastic or nylon floating around in all that grease causing some binding periodically. BTW, that IS quite a bit of grease in there and I would be a bit surprised if the scope did not give you drive troubles on cold nights.
 
I've cleaned off some of the more critical surfaces (a greased clutch plate? c'mon :rolleyes: ), but I guess I'll clean out the whole ra drive gear assembly.
 
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I've cleaned off some of the more critical surfaces (a greased clutch plate? c'mon :rolleyes: ), but I guess I'll clean out the whole ra drive gear assembly.
That's probably a good idea. On colder nights, you could easily get ropes of grease forming (like taffy) and feeding into one or more parts of the drive train, and causing periodic binding. You might want to check with Meade before trying this, but in cold weather situations, that entire train would probably be better lubricated with a light coating of silicone. It would give less loading (requiring fewer corrective guiding measures) on the RA drive, and would make your scope's drive last longer. If you ever observe in a COLD environment, and your RA drive has to pump cold stiff grease, you can bet that those little nylon gears will get sloppy PDQ. If the RA drive is being stressed, the scope will soon be useful for little more than bird-watching and casual sky-gazing.
 

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