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The discussion revolves around the process of positron-electron annihilation and the subsequent interactions of gamma rays produced in this reaction. Participants explore the reversibility of the annihilation process, the conditions under which gamma rays can interact, and the mechanisms of pair production. The scope includes theoretical considerations, experimental challenges, and conceptual clarifications related to particle physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether gamma rays must interact for the annihilation reaction to be reversible, referencing a textbook claim about reversibility.
  • Another participant acknowledges that while the reverse reaction is theoretically possible, it is challenging to achieve experimentally.
  • There is a discussion about the interaction of gamma rays, with one participant stating that gamma-gamma reactions occurred shortly after the big bang.
  • Concerns are raised about how gamma rays can interact if they are moving parallel to each other, with one participant expressing skepticism about their ability to annihilate into an electron-positron pair under those conditions.
  • A participant introduces the concept of pair production, noting that a single gamma ray with sufficient energy can produce an electron-positron pair without the need for two gamma rays to annihilate.
  • Another participant clarifies the distinction between gamma-gamma reactions and pair production, emphasizing that pair production requires a photon of sufficient energy and proximity to an atomic nucleus.
  • There are repeated inquiries about how the reverse reaction of annihilation would occur, with references to conservation of momentum and energy.
  • One participant asserts that any two photons with enough energy can produce electron-positron pairs, regardless of whether they are the same photons emitted during annihilation.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of a referenced image, with a participant suggesting that it is misleading regarding the orientation of the gamma rays.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of gamma ray interaction for reversibility and the conditions under which pair production occurs. There is no consensus on how the reverse reaction proceeds or the implications of gamma rays moving parallel to each other.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the interactions involved and the experimental difficulties in observing these phenomena. The discussion reflects various assumptions about the conditions necessary for annihilation and pair production, as well as the definitions of related terms.

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Do the gamma rays (from positron-electron annihilation) must interact to have reversible reaction? I read in my textbook that this reaction is reversible? Is that true?
The reaction:


<br /> ^{0}_{-1}e+ ^{0}_{+1}e \rightarrow 2 \gamma<br />
 
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In principle, the reverse is possible. It is just difficult to achieve experimentally.
 
Does the gamma rays must interact?
 
Physicsissuef said:
Does the gamma rays must interact?


Yes. Right after the big bang, when the universe was very small and very hot, gamma-gamma reactions were taking place not only for electron-positron pairs, but heavier particle-antiparticle pairs (such as proton-antiproton or neutron-antineutron) also.
 
but how those gamma rays will interact them selfs when they are going parallel to each other?
 
electron positron pair

You should visit wiki pedia to check the phenomenon of pair production; also if I am not wrong then it is not necessary to for the production of electron and positron pair that we should annihilate two gamma rays. A single gamma (photon) ray having energy greater then 1.02 Mev can be splitted into electron positron pair, when ever an attempt to stop it with the help of nuclei of heavy element is made. Moreover two gamma rays moving parallel to each other, I don’t think they will annihilate into electron positron pair.
 
Physicsissuef: It does not have to be the same photons which are emitted in the annihilation process of the electron and positron. Any two photons which have enough energy may produce electron - positron pairs.

kosher: There is a difference between gamma-gamma reactions and pair production. Gamma-gamma reactions are a photon interacting with another photon. In pair production, one has a photon of E > 1.022MeV producing a electron - positron pair, this reaction MUST take place near an atomic nucleus or an atomic electron.
 
Here is http://pic.mkd.net/images/1016371213.jpg" from my book. That's why I said they are parallel.
 
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Anybody knows, please? How will the reverse reaction go?
 
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Physicsissuef said:
Anybody knows, please? How will the reverse reaction go?

It depends on how the initial electron-postiron pair annihilates, remember our discussion in the other thread? Initial momentum = final momentum & initial energy = final energy
 
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Yes, but for the reverse reaction they must interact, how will they interact when they are parallel?
 
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Post #7:

It does not have to be the same photons which are emitted in the annihilation process of the electron and positron. Any two photons which have enough energy may produce electron - positron pairs is good enough.
 
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Physicsissuef said:
Here is http://pic.mkd.net/images/1016371213.jpg" from my book. That's why I said they are parallel.

That picture is misleading. They should not be parallel.
 
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