Is Tau Zero the Ultimate Space Travel Concept?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "tau travel" as presented in Paul Anderson's book "Tau Zero," exploring its implications for space travel, time dilation, and the potential experiences of those who undertake such journeys. Participants engage with the theoretical and narrative aspects of this concept, considering both the science fiction elements and the human consequences of such travel.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight the unique concept of "tau travel," which allows a spaceship to travel close to light speed, resulting in significant time dilation for those aboard compared to the outside universe.
  • Concerns are raised about the emotional and social consequences for travelers, who may return to find their families and society have changed drastically or are no longer present.
  • There is speculation about the motivations for returning from such journeys, with some suggesting economic reasons could drive the need for interplanetary commerce.
  • Others question the practicality of traveling at such speeds, pondering the value of visiting distant locations in a galaxy.
  • Some participants propose that investment opportunities could arise from such travel, suggesting a scenario where funds could be managed over extended periods during the journey.
  • Humor is introduced through quotes and light-hearted commentary, reflecting on the absurdities of the situation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the implications of tau travel, with no consensus on the motivations for returning or the practicality of such journeys. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the emotional and economic aspects of long-duration space travel.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the narrative elements of the book and its influence on later authors, but the discussion does not delve into the scientific validity of the concepts presented.

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I just finished this book. Bravo. Paul Anderson is one of the masters. In this book, he tells the story of a spaceship traveling so close to light speed that it can traverse a galaxy in only a second shipboard perceived time.

Of course, space travel and time travel are bountifully explored in sci-fi, but Anderson invented a completely new form of travel "tau travel". It is not often that an author can invent a truly new concept. I say bravo.

A review on Amazon says:
The plot, unheard of prior to this seminal work, is a starship that - powered by a Bussard ramjet using the tenuous hydrogen of interstellar space for fuel - accelerates to a significant fraction of c, so that shipboard time runs billions of times slower than time in the outside universe. Thus the title "Tau Zero", the Greek letter tau being assigned to the variable representing the Special Relativity time dilation factor ##(\frac{1 - v^2}{c^2 })^{\frac{1}{2}}## . For v that approaches c, tau becomes vanishingly small.

These concepts were later used by authors such as Larry Niven and Greg Bear.
 
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Nice sadly though for the starship occupants they will lose touch with all their family and relatives long gone when they return from a mission.
 
jedishrfu said:
Nice sadly though for the starship occupants they will lose touch with all their family and relatives long gone when they return from a mission.

Tau travel is strictly for loners, malcontents, and those drastically on the run from the law.
 
Hornbein said:
Tau travel is strictly for loners, malcontents, and those drastically on the run from the law.
"A niche in time saves Stein" - Ferdinand Feghoot.
 
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Nice sadly though for the starship occupants they will lose touch with all their family and relatives long gone when they return from a mission.
What would be the point of returning? The Earth would be unrecognizable and humanity might not even exist at that point. Also, what is the point of moving that fast? Are there so few places in a galaxy worth visiting?
 
I think the point of returning would be economics. No business would fund a one way trip unless it led to some sort of interplanetary commerce.
 
Algr said:
What would be the point of returning? The Earth would be unrecognizable and humanity might not even exist at that point. Also, what is the point of moving that fast? Are there so few places in a galaxy worth visiting?

The ship is heading toward a habitable planet to start a colony. An accident makes it impossible to decelerate, or coast. They can only accelerate.

In the end, they travel so long (Earth proper time) that heat death of the universe begins. The oscillating universe collapses, and the story continues beyond the next big bang event.
 
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Algr said:
What would be the point of returning? The Earth would be unrecognizable and humanity might not even exist at that point. Also, what is the point of moving that fast? Are there so few places in a galaxy worth visiting?
I read this book many years ago and loved it. You need to read the book to answer these questions - they didn't intend to go so fast.
 
jedishrfu said:
I think the point of returning would be economics. No business would fund a one way trip unless it led to some sort of interplanetary commerce.
Investment firms could sell this - let us make you a billionaire by managing your portfolio while you take a 10y round trip that will compound your money for 100+ years
 
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Investment firms could sell this - let us make you a billionaire by managing your portfolio while you take a 10y round trip that will compound your money for 100+ years
Heinlein had a good quote for this:
"$100 invested at 7% interest for 100 years will become $100,000, at which time it will be worth absolutely nothing."
 
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BWV said:
Investment firms could sell this - let us make you a billionaire by managing your portfolio while you take a 10y round trip that will compound your money for 100+ years
The perfect setup for absconding with the funds.
 
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