Powers of integers and factorials

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between powers of integers and factorials, exploring sequences generated by cubics and fourth powers. Participants share their observations and seek insights into potential mathematical significance and connections between these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a process involving cubics and fourth powers that leads to a repeated integer, suggesting a connection to factorials.
  • Another participant notes the digital roots of cubes and their relation to triangular numbers, questioning the relevance of the original rule used by the first participant.
  • A different participant asserts that the nth series of differences of a power series relates to factorials, referencing a past proof they provided to a teacher.
  • One participant asks how to relate the sequence of cubes to a specific factorial, indicating a desire for clarification on the connection.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the significance of the original discovery, suggesting it may be trivial.
  • A participant shares a link to a resource that may provide additional context on polynomial equations and differences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of interest and skepticism regarding the significance of the connections between powers of integers and factorials. There is no consensus on the importance of the original discovery or the specific relationships being explored.

Contextual Notes

Some participants emphasize the need for clarity regarding the rules applied to generate sequences, while others highlight the distinction between sequences and series. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the nature of the relationships being proposed.

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I would like some direction on studying powers of integers and if they are in any way related to factorials. I was studying the sequence of cubics 1, 8, 27, 64, 125 and so. After a certain number of rounds of a basic rule I choose to apply to this sequence, I arrived at a new sequence where one particular integer (not 0 nor 1) was repeated. I tried a sequence of integers raised to fourth power and found that my process brought about similar results. Depending on the exponent ( natural number ) used on the integers that I write out, I can now predict how many rounds it will take to get to the repeated integer and also predict that the repeated integer is a certain factorial. I am not referring to 0! nor 1! Does this discovery for me seem important or useful to any branch of math? I am new at asking questions here; I enjoy patterns with numbers and am trying to write conjectures or maybe a theorem or two from my discoveries. thanks for the help .
 
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sjohnsey said:
I would like some direction on studying powers of integers and if they are in any way related to factorials. I was studying the sequence of cubics 1, 8, 27, 64, 125 and so. After a certain number of rounds of a basic rule I choose to apply to this sequence, I arrived at a new sequence where one particular integer (not 0 nor 1) was repeated. I tried a sequence of integers raised to fourth power and found that my process brought about similar results. Depending on the exponent ( natural number ) used on the integers that I write out, I can now predict how many rounds it will take to get to the repeated integer and also predict that the repeated integer is a certain factorial. I am not referring to 0! nor 1! Does this discovery for me seem important or useful to any branch of math? I am new at asking questions here; I enjoy patterns with numbers and am trying to write conjectures or maybe a theorem or two from my discoveries. thanks for the help .


You are going to have to tell us what rule you used.
 
For whatever its worth, without any reference to factorials, the digital root of n^3 is 1, 8, 9 repeating, while the digital root of the sum of cubes (Triangular Numbers Squared) is 1,9,9 repeating. As opposed, for instance, to the digital root of n^2, which is 1,4,9,7,7,9,4,1,9 repeating.

Curious what your "rule" is.
 
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Why would the rule be important in order to give me some direction? It is a simple rule applied to all terms of the sequence. Is there a known relationship between integers raised to a specific power and a factorial?
 
sjohnsey said:
Why would the rule be important in order to give me some direction?

What's 31 + 31, sjohnsey?

Might the answer to that question not depend on what base was our mutual reference point?

Let me be the first to assure you: whatever you are or are not "on to" is probably quite trivial, even if correct.
 
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Is there a known relationship between integers raised to a specific power and a factorial?
Sure, the nth series of differences of a power series ( a^n where "a" takes on the values 0,1,2,3...) is n! I gave a long proof of this fact to my High School teacher in 1962 and she told me that there was a simpler proof, but she couldn't recall what it was.
 
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Thanks for that help. I am in a bit of rush right now but I will look into that more. I am not really working with a series, just the sequence of integers. For example do you know how to relate 1^3, 2^3, 3^3, 4^3 and so on to 3! ?
 
sjohnsey said:
Thanks for that help. I am in a bit of rush right now but I will look into that more. I am not really working with a series, just the sequence of integers. For example do you know how to relate 1^3, 2^3, 3^3, 4^3 and so on to 3! ?

It is the same thing when I said series I meant sequence(s) also. So now that I gave you a rule to get n!, what is your rule? or is it the same?
 
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Thanks very much Dodo. That is very close to what I was looking for. I will study what K. W. has to offer!
 

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