Products of operators : products of matrices

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical treatment of operators in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the product of operators represented in matrix form using Dirac notation. Participants explore how to prove the relationship between the operator squared and its matrix representation.

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  • One participant asks how to prove that the matrix of the operator squared can be represented as the square of the original matrix using Dirac notation.
  • Another participant explains that squaring the matrices involves a summation over an intermediate state, represented as ## ##, and notes that the identity operator can be removed from the expression.
  • A later post reiterates the calculation of the operator squared in Dirac notation, providing the formula for the matrix elements and comparing it to finite-dimensional matrix multiplication.
  • Another participant adds that there are many other operators for which the relationship holds as simple matrix multiplication in finite-dimensional spaces.
  • One participant mentions the specific case of spin operators as an example where this applies.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical framework for representing the product of operators in matrix form, but there is no explicit consensus on the broader implications or limitations of this approach.

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The discussion does not address potential limitations or assumptions regarding the dimensionality of the matrices or the specific conditions under which these relationships hold.

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Hi.
If I have an operator in matrix form eg. < i | x | j > then the matrix of the operator x2 is given by the square of the former matrix. This seems like common sense but how would i prove this using Dirac notation ?
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When you square the matrices, i.e. multiply one matrix by the same matrix, you wind up doing a summation over ## k ## in the following way (to get the ij element of the x matrix multiplied by the x matrix) : ## <i|x|k><k|x|j> ##. in the Dirac notation ## |k><k| ## summed over all states is the identity operator and can be removed.
 
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Thanks for that
 
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The full calculation is
$$\langle i|\hat{x}^2|j \rangle=\sum_{k} \langle i|\hat{x} k \rangle \langle k|\hat{x} j \rangle,$$
i.e., in matrix notation
$$(x^2)_{ij}=\sum_k x_{ik} x_{kj}.$$
That's like matrix multiplication in finite-dimensional vector spaces, only that the matrix here is "infinite dimensional".
 
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vanhees71 said:
The full calculation is
$$\langle i|\hat{x}^2|j \rangle=\sum_{k} \langle i|\hat{x} k \rangle \langle k|\hat{x} j \rangle,$$
i.e., in matrix notation
$$(x^2)_{ij}=\sum_k x_{ik} x_{kj}.$$
That's like matrix multiplication in finite-dimensional vector spaces, only that the matrix here is "infinite dimensional".
It should be noted that there are many other operators for which it is simply a matrix multiplication in a finite dimensional space.
 
Yes, e.g., for spins.
 
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