Prove by induction: 2^n >= 11n + 17

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The discussion centers on proving the inequality 2n ≥ 11n + 17 for integers n ≥ 7 using mathematical induction. The proof begins with verifying the base case for n = 7, confirming that 128 ≥ 94 holds true. The induction hypothesis assumes that 2k ≥ 11k + 17 is valid, and the goal is to prove that 2k+1 ≥ 11(k+1) + 17 follows. The participants emphasize the importance of correctly manipulating the expressions and using parentheses in the exponents for clarity.

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Homework Statement



Prove by mathematical induction: 2^n >= 11n + 17, for n >= 7, and n is an integer.

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This is my attempt - I want to see if I'm doing this correctly.

2^n >= 11n + 17, n >= 7

basis 2^7 >= 77 + 17

128 >= 94. True.

Induction Hypothesis:
Assume true:
2^k >= 11k + 17

Must prove:
2^k+1 >= 11(k+1) + 17

2^k * 2 >= 2*(11k + 17) <-- By induction hypothesis, just multiplying both sides by 2.
2^k * 2 >= 22k + 34

2^k*2 >= 11(k + 1) + 17
2^k*2 >= 11k + 28

2^k+1 >= 11k+28, because
2^k+1 >= 22k + 34, and 11k + 28 will always be a smaller number.
 
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leo255 said:
2^k * 2 >= 2*(11k + 17) <-- By induction hypothesis, just multiplying both sides by 2.
2^k * 2 >= 22k + 34
Correct up to this point, but then I do not see what you are up to.
 
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Thanks for the reply,

I was just expanding out the k+1, so I could say definitively that the expression being multiplied by 2 in the hypothesis is larger 11(k + 1) + 17
 
leo255 said:
I was just expanding out the k+1, so I could say definitively that the expression being multiplied by 2 in the hypothesis is larger 11(k + 1) + 17
It seems to me that you are trying to run the proof backwards at this point. You have shown that

2k+1≥22k+34

Just continue with the right hand side...
 
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Yes, you have the correct argument. I will suggest ways to write it up nicer.

leo255 said:

Homework Statement



Prove by mathematical induction: 2^n >= 11n + 17, for n >= 7, and n is an integer.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



This is my attempt - I want to see if I'm doing this correctly.

2^n >= 11n + 17, n >= 7

basis 2^7 >= 77 + 17

128 >= 94. True.

Induction Hypothesis:
Assume true:
2^k >= 11k + 17

Must prove:
2^(k+1) >= 11(k+1) + 17 = 11k + 28

You need parentheses in the exponents here and below.

2^k * 2 >= 2*(11k + 17) <-- By induction hypothesis, just multiplying both sides by 2.
2^k * 2 >= 22k + 34

Above, it would be better to start with the left side of what you are to prove$$
2^{k+1} = 2\cdot 2^k \ge 2(11k+17) = 22k+34 > 11k+28$$which is much more succinct than what you have below.

2^k*2 >= 11(k + 1) + 17
2^k*2 >= 11k + 28

2^k+1 >= 11k+28, because
2^k+1 >= 22k + 34, and 11k + 28 will always be a smaller number.
 
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Very helpful, thanks guys!
 
leo255 said:

Homework Statement



Prove by mathematical induction: 2^n >= 11n + 17, for n >= 7, and n is an integer.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



This is my attempt - I want to see if I'm doing this correctly.

2^n >= 11n + 17, n >= 7

basis 2^7 >= 77 + 17

128 >= 94. True.

Induction Hypothesis:
Assume true:
2^k >= 11k + 17

Must prove:
2^k+1 >= 11(k+1) + 17

2^k * 2 >= 2*(11k + 17) <-- By induction hypothesis, just multiplying both sides by 2.
2^k * 2 >= 22k + 34

2^k*2 >= 11(k + 1) + 17
2^k*2 >= 11k + 28

2^k+1 >= 11k+28, because
2^k+1 >= 22k + 34, and 11k + 28 will always be a smaller number.

You wrote ## 2^k + 1 \geq 11(k+1) + 17##. I assume you mean ##2{k+1} \geq 11(k+1) + 17##, and if so you need to use parentheses, like this: 2^(k+1) >= 11(k+1) + 17. So simple, yet so crucial!
 
Ray Vickson said:
You wrote ## 2^k + 1 \geq 11(k+1) + 17##. I assume you mean ##2{k+1} \geq 11(k+1) + 17##, and if so you need to use parentheses, like this: 2^(k+1) >= 11(k+1) + 17. So simple, yet so crucial!
In the part, "I assume you mean...", what you really meant was ##2^{k+1} \geq 11(k+1) + 17##
 

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