Proving Onto and 1-1 Properties of Function Compositions

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The discussion focuses on proving properties of function compositions, specifically regarding the one-to-one (1-1) and onto characteristics of functions. Participants are examining theorems related to function compositions and their implications in mathematical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in proving that if functions F and G are both onto, then their composition G∘F is also onto.
  • Another participant challenges the initial reasoning regarding onto functions, emphasizing the need for precise definitions and correct logical steps in proofs.
  • A later reply clarifies that for every z in Z, if G is onto, there exists a y in Y such that G(y) = z, which is a necessary step in the proof.
  • Participants discuss the definition of "1-1 correspondence," with agreement that it means a function is both 1-1 and onto.
  • It is noted that once parts a and b are proven, part c follows immediately, indicating a logical progression in the proofs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of onto and 1-1 correspondence, but there is some disagreement regarding the initial reasoning and steps necessary to prove the properties of the function compositions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and logical steps involved in the proofs, indicating that a clearer understanding of the terms and their implications is necessary for the discussion.

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I am trying to prove this function theorem:

Let F:X→Y and G:Y→Z be functions. Then
a. If F and G are both 1 – 1 then G∘F is 1 – 1.
b. If F and G are both onto then G∘F is onto.
c. If F and G are both 1 – 1 correspondences then G∘F is a 1 – 1 correspondence.

Part a has already been proven, but I need to prove parts b and c. This is as far as I got on part b:Part b: If F is onto, then that means that each y has at least one x. If G is onto, then that each z has at least one y.

I do know that I need to prove b before c can be proven.

If someone could show me how b and c would be proven I would really appreciate it.

Thank you.
 
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JProgrammer said:
I am trying to prove this function theorem:

Let F:X→Y and G:Y→Z be functions. Then
a. If F and G are both 1 – 1 then G∘F is 1 – 1.
b. If F and G are both onto then G∘F is onto.
c. If F and G are both 1 – 1 correspondences then G∘F is a 1 – 1 correspondence.
...
Part b: If F is onto, then that means that each y has at least one x. If G is onto, then that each z has at least one y.
It is incorrect to say "each y has at least one x". Here $x$ and $y$ are elements of sets $X$, $Y$, $Z$. They can very well be numbers. What does it mean to say, for example, that 5 has 3?

The fact that $G\circ F$ is onto means, by definition, that for every $z\in Z$ there exists an $x\in X$ such that
\[
(G\circ F)(x)\overset{\text{def}}{=}G(F(x))=z.\qquad (*)
\]
Proofs of statements of the form "For every $z\in Z$..." start with the phrase "Fix an arbitrary $z\in Z$". We know that $G$ is onto, i.e., for each $z\in Z$ there exists a $y\in Y$ such that $G(y)=z$. Apply this fact to the $z$ we fixed. This gives us some $y\in Y$ such that $G(y)=z$. Now apply the fact that $F$ is onto to that $y$ and recall that our goal is (*).
 
Let z be any member of Z. Then, since G is onto, there exist y in Y such that G(y)= z. Further, since F is onto there exist ...

For (c), what is the definition of "1-1 correspondence"?
 
HallsofIvy said:
For (c), what is the definition of "1-1 correspondence"?
1 -1 correspondence means that the function is both 1 - 1 and onto.
 
JProgrammer said:
1 -1 correspondence means that the function is both 1 - 1 and onto.
Good! So once you have done (a) and (b), (c) follows immediately.
 

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