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The discussion revolves around the qualitative analysis of a system of ordinary differential equations given by $$x' = \mu - x^2,$$ $$y' = -y.$$ Participants explore the behavior of the system based on the parameter $\mu$, including the identification of fixed points, their stability, and the graphical representation of solution curves. The scope includes theoretical analysis and mathematical reasoning related to differential equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants identify fixed points at $(\pm \sqrt{\mu}, 0)$ for $\mu > 0$, suggesting one is a source and the other a sink based on their signs.
  • Others express uncertainty about the nature of fixed points when $\mu \leq 0$, noting the presence of complex eigenvalues with zero real part.
  • One participant suggests that for $\mu < 0$, the vector field can be identified, indicating invariant lines and proposing to draw the phase plane for qualitative analysis.
  • Another participant emphasizes the independence of the two ODEs and proposes a standard approach to solve for $x$ while analyzing cases for $\mu > 0$, $\mu < 0$, and $\mu = 0$ separately.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of complex fixed points, questioning whether they can be translated to real solutions.
  • There is mention of the Hartman-Grobman theorem and its relevance to the analysis, with participants expressing a desire to understand how it could be applied in this context.
  • One participant notes that the original exam question had variations in the sign of the $x^2$ term, which could affect the analysis but was deemed not critical for the qualitative behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus on the nature of fixed points for $\mu \leq 0$, with some arguing that there are no fixed points in real coordinates while others explore the implications of complex solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the complete qualitative behavior of the system across different values of $\mu$.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the parameter $\mu$, the ambiguity regarding the treatment of complex fixed points, and the need for graphical analysis to fully understand the phase plane behavior. There are also unresolved mathematical steps related to the eigenvalues and their implications for stability.

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I am having trouble to work this question. It was asked in my exam in ordinary differential equations and I have no idea how to solve it.

Consider the system of differential equations

$$x' = \mu - x^2,$$
$$y' = - y.$$

Describe the qualitative behavior according to the value of $\mu$.
 
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Fantini said:
I am having trouble to work this question. It was asked in my exam in ordinary differential equations and I have no idea how to solve it.

Consider the system of differential equations

$$x' = \mu - x^2,$$
$$y' = - y.$$

Describe the qualitative behavior according to the value of $\mu$.

What are the fixed points?
Are they sources or sinks?
Perhaps describe the possible solution curves by graphical inspection?
 
Fixed points happen at $(\pm \sqrt{\mu}, 0)$, but here is when the problems arise. If $\mu >0$ then we have one source and one sink, depending on whether it has positive and negative sign, respectively.

On the other hand, if $\mu \leq 0$ then I have complex eigenvalues with zero real part. How to go on about it?
 
Fantini said:
Fixed points happen at $(\pm \sqrt{\mu}, 0)$, but here is when the problems arise. If $\mu >0$ then we have one source and one sink, depending on whether it has positive and negative sign, respectively.

Right.

On the other hand, if $\mu \leq 0$ then I have complex eigenvalues with zero real part. How to go on about it?

Then you don't have fixed points.For a qualitative analysis I would tend to draw the solution curves for both $\mu > 0$ and $\mu < 0$, which would complete the qualitative analysis as far as I'm concerned.
 
Fantini said:
On the other hand, if $\mu \leq 0$ then I have complex eigenvalues with zero real part. How to go on about it?

If $\mu<0$ we can easily identify the vector field, $v(x,y)=(-,-)$ if $y>0$, $v(x,y)=(-,+)$ if $y<0$. Besides $v(x,0)=(-,0)$ for all $x\in\mathbb{R}$, so the $x$-axis is an invariant line. With this, you'll easily plot the phases plane.
 
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Fantini said:
I am having trouble to work this question. It was asked in my exam in ordinary differential equations and I have no idea how to solve it.

Consider the system of differential equations

$$x' = \mu - x^2,$$
$$y' = - y.$$

Describe the qualitative behavior according to the value of $\mu$.

The two ODE are independent [one in x and one in y...] and, because $\mu$ is in the first, we focalize our attention on the ODE...

$\displaystyle x^{\ '} = \mu - x^{2}\ (1)$

It is a symple separate variables ODE, so that standard approach my be used. Supposing $\mu \ne 0$ [the case $\mu=0$ is to be treated separately...] You have...

$\displaystyle \frac{dx}{\mu - x^{2}} = d t \implies \frac{\tanh^{-1} (\frac{x}{\sqrt{\mu}})}{\sqrt{\mu}} = t + c \implies x = \sqrt{\mu}\ \tanh(\sqrt{\mu}\ t + c)\ (2)$

Very well!... now Your next step are...

a) find, using standard formulas, what is $\tanh(\sqrt{\mu}\ t + c)$...

b) analyse separately the cases $\mu>0$ and $\mu < 0$ [in the last case remember that is $\tanh i\ t = i\ \tan t$]...

c) analyse the case $\mu=0$...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
Fernando Revilla said:
If $\mu<0$ we can easily identify the vector field, $v(x,y)=(-,-)$ if $y>0$, $v(x,y)=(-,+)$ if $y<0$. Besides $v(x,0)=(-,0)$ for all $x\in\mathbb{R}$, so the $x$-axis is an invariant line. With this, you'll easily plot the phases plane.

If $\mu>0$ we have 2 more invariant lines: $x=\pm \sqrt\mu$.
 
I like Serena said:
Then you don't have fixed points.

For a qualitative analysis I would tend to draw the solution curves for both $\mu > 0$ and $\mu < 0$, which would complete the qualitative analysis as far as I'm concerned.
Are you sure I don't have any more fixed points? What if we somehow translate the complex number to two real solutions?

Fernando Revilla said:
If $\mu<0$ we can easily identify the vector field, $v(x,y)=(-,-)$ if $y>0$, $v(x,y)=(-,+)$ if $y<0$. Besides $v(x,0)=(-,0)$ for all $x\in\mathbb{R}$, so the $x$-axis is an invariant line. With this, you'll easily plot the phases plane.
Fernando, by $v(x,y) = (-,-)$ do you mean that it is a sink? Sorry, I don't understand what you want to convey with this notation. :confused:

chisigma said:
The two ODE are independent [one in x and one in y...] and, because $\mu$ is in the first, we focalize our attention on the ODE...

$\displaystyle x^{\ '} = \mu - x^{2}\ (1)$

It is a symple separate variables ODE, so that standard approach my be used. Supposing $\mu \ne 0$ [the case $\mu=0$ is to be treated separately...] You have...

$\displaystyle \frac{dx}{\mu - x^{2}} = d t \implies \frac{\tanh^{-1} (\frac{x}{\sqrt{\mu}})}{\sqrt{\mu}} = t + c \implies x = \sqrt{\mu}\ \tanh(\sqrt{\mu}\ t + c)\ (2)$

Very well!... now Your next step are...

a) find, using standard formulas, what is $\tanh(\sqrt{\mu}\ t + c)$...

b) analyse separately the cases $\mu>0$ and $\mu < 0$ [in the last case remember that is $\tanh i\ t = i\ \tan t$]...

c) analyse the case $\mu=0$...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
Thank you $\chi$ $\sigma$, but it was written at the exam that we weren't required to solve for the equations, he said there was a simple way to do this. Furthermore, the original question said $x' = \mu + (-1)^{\text{academic number}} x^2$, which for some meant $x' = \mu + x^2$ and for others $x' = \mu - x^2$. He also explicitly stated that it did not matter much the sign, as long as the analysis was correct, hence why I chose the minus sign.

At the exam we didn't have access to the Hartman-Grobman theorem, but now we do. How could be such analysis carried out then?
 
Fantini said:
Fernando, by $v(x,y) = (-,-)$ do you mean that it is a sink? Sorry, I don't understand what you want to convey with this notation.

By $v(x,y)=(-\mu-x^2,-y)$ we denote the vector field associated to the system. The linearized system associated to an equilibrium point $(x_0,y_0)$ is $$\begin{bmatrix}x'\\y'\end{bmatrix}=A \begin{bmatrix}x\\y\end{bmatrix},\quad A=J_v(x_0,y_0)= \begin{bmatrix}\frac{\partial v_1}{\partial x}(x_0,y_0)&\frac{\partial v_1}{\partial y}(x_0,y_0)\\\frac{\partial v_2}{\partial x}(x_0,y_0)&\frac{\partial v_1}{\partial x}(x_0,y_0)\end{bmatrix}=\begin{bmatrix}-2x_0&0\\0&-1\end{bmatrix}$$
For $\mu >0$ we have two equilibrium points $(\pm\sqrt{\mu},0)$ so,
$$J_v(\sqrt{\mu},0)=\begin{bmatrix}-2\sqrt{\mu}&0\\0&-1\end{bmatrix},\quad J_v(\sqrt{\mu},0)=\begin{bmatrix}2\sqrt{\mu}&0\\0&-1\end{bmatrix}$$
According to its eigenvalues, $(\sqrt{\mu},0)$ is an asymptotically stable node. (Have a look here for $\mu=1$) and $(-\sqrt{\mu},0)$ is a saddle point. (Have a look here for $\mu=1$). Also, have a look here to see the the complete phases plane

For $\mu=0$ we have only the equilibrium point $(0,0)$ and according to the eigenvalues of $J_v(0,0)$ we have an inconlusive case. But drawing the vector field we get its phases plane.

For $\mu<0$ we have no equilibrium points, but again, drawing the vector field we get its phases plane.
 
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Fantini said:
Are you sure I don't have any more fixed points? What if we somehow translate the complex number to two real solutions?

If x and y are real valued functions (which is what I assumed), an imaginary fixed point means that there is no fixed point (in real coordinates).

If x and y are complex valued functions, for $\mu < 0$ you get 2 fixed points at the complex coordinates $(\pm i \sqrt{-\mu},0)$.
 
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Fernando Revilla said:
According to its eigenvalues, $(\sqrt{\mu},0)$ is an asymptotically stable node. (Have a look here for $\mu=1$) and $(-\sqrt{\mu},0)$ is a saddle point. (Have a look here for $\mu=1$). Also, have a look here to see the the complete phases plane

For $\mu=0$ we have only the equilibrium point $(0,0)$ and according to the eigenvalues of $J_v(0,0)$ we have an inconlusive case. But drawing the vector field we get its phases plane.

For $\mu<0$ we have no equilibrium points, but again, drawing the vector field we get its phases plane.
Thanks for that!
I was trying to figure out how to make vector plots with W|A... and there they are! ;)

Allow me to present them as graphs.

$\mu < 0$ with no fixed points:
View attachment 976

$\mu = 0$ with 1 saddle point:
View attachment 977

$\mu > 0$ with 1 saddle point and 1 sink:
View attachment 978
 

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