Race Line in CFD: Finding the Fastest Route for Go-Cart Racing

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The discussion revolves around modeling a race track using Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) to determine the fastest racing line for go-kart racing. Participants explore the relationship between fluid dynamics and racing strategies, considering various factors that influence lap times.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that modeling the race track in CFD could help identify the best racing line by finding where the fluid flows fastest.
  • Another participant counters that the racing line is influenced by factors unrelated to fluid flow, such as braking rates, acceleration, cornering speeds, and the presence of other cars.
  • Some participants argue that the optimal racing line is more a function of vehicle dynamics rather than fluid dynamics, indicating that CFD may not be the appropriate tool for this analysis.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of practical testing and tuning on the track, suggesting that practice and experience are key to improving lap times.
  • One participant highlights the need to consider additional variables such as track temperatures, tire compounds, tire pressures, weight transfer, and engine performance when determining the fastest route.
  • A participant expresses confusion over the initial premise, questioning the relevance of fluid flow in the context of a racing line.
  • Another participant clarifies that the objective is not merely to find the shortest path but rather the fastest route around the track.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the applicability of CFD for determining the racing line, with multiple competing views on the factors that contribute to achieving the fastest lap times. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effectiveness of CFD in this context.

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Limitations include the lack of consensus on the relevance of fluid dynamics to racing lines, the dependence on various external factors, and the complexity of modeling vehicle dynamics accurately in CFD.

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Hi

I want to model a race track in CFD. This is so I can figure out the best racing line.

Is it as simple as finding where the fluid flows fastest, and thus showing the best racing line?

I know its a little over the top, but its for a go cart track I race on, and I want to know how to get around it the fastest. I am a couple of seconds of the track leader/record holder, and sure that technology can give me an edge to make 2 seconds up on a 57 second record track.

I have Ansys Suite software at home, but at University i have a few other CFD suites, so any ideas on the best software, and the best way to go at this problem, albeit trivial and a bit of fun.

Thanks
 
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Unfortunately fluid flow doesn't approximate 'the racing line'. In reality this depends on a whole load of things, none of which have got anything to do with fluid flow (braking rate, acceleration rate, cornering speeds, other cars etc).

Nice thought though.

If you want to find out how to go faster round the track, take some professional tuition and get practicing.
 
As brewnog mentioned, CFD is really not what you're looking for. The best line around a track I would assume would be a function not only of the track, but of the vehicle as well. I would guess this is much more a dynamics issue, and less a fluids issue.

Could CFD be performed of a vehicle traveling around a track? Sure. However, the effort that would take would be tremendous. I mean...huge.
 
i agree.. best bet is to pick a day you can tune and test and experiment on best way to " diamond" the track..note you "marks" when practicing..once you get best lap times , remeber the " marks" ( where you turn in, brake, accelerate coming off the corners)
practice makes perfect
 
I want to know how to get around it the fastest.

Like any racer test and tune is best for results, shortest way around (most efficient path) would be your objective. In addition to what was mentionded earlier, you must also look at track temperatures, tire compunds, tire pressures, weight transfer, engine power & gearing, and ambient air temperature. Since your engine will produce more power and torque at cooler temps you have to make sure your tires are doing what they should be doing. Do you check your tire temps after hot laps or practices?

What kind of track is this by the way?
 
This question is fundamentally wrong from the get-go. What do you mean, 'find where the fluid flow is fastest' on a race track? The fluid doesn't flow anywhere...it is quiescent. You need to rethink the question you're asking here...everyone has missed a very basic fundamental point.
 
Fahlin Racing said:
Like any racer test and tune is best for results, shortest way around (most efficient path) would be your objective.

http://phors.locost7.info/phors05.htm

Actually no.

Not the shortest, but rather the fastest is the objective :)
 
The question was asking how to find the BEST RACING LINE...and I think we answered it..
 

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