Radial wave function and other graphs

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The discussion revolves around the differences between the radial wave function, radial probability density, and radial probability function in the context of the Schrödinger wave equation. Participants explore the mathematical representations and implications of these concepts, particularly focusing on their graphical representations for different orbitals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the clarity of terminology, suggesting that the term "R" may not accurately represent the wave function Ψ.
  • Another participant explains that the radial wave function can be expressed in terms of the time-independent Schrödinger equation, indicating that it can be factored into components depending on the radial distance.
  • A participant describes the relationship between the radial probability density and the radial probability function, noting that the latter incorporates a factor of 4πr².
  • Concerns are raised about the discrepancies observed in the graphs of R² versus r and 4πr²R² versus r, particularly regarding their behavior as r approaches zero.
  • Participants express confusion about the implications of these graphs and what they depict regarding the electron wave amplitude and probability distributions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the terminology and the implications of the graphs. There are multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of the radial wave function and its graphical representations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the definitions and assumptions underlying the terms used in the discussion, as well as the mathematical behavior of the functions as r approaches certain limits.

V Anirudh Sharma
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1.what is the difference between radial wave function(R),radial probability density(R^2) and radial probability function(4*π*r^2* R^2)?
 
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Hi V, :welcome:

The radial wave function can not be R (unnormalizable), so you want to be a bit clearer in formulating your question. Something with expectation values, perhaps ?
 
thank you for paying attention towards my question.
the function R that i spoke about was the Ψ function.
 
I see. However, "the function R was the ##\Psi## function" still does not make sense to me. If you mean ##\Psi##, why call it R ?

Now, what exactly is it you want to ask ?

If the Schroedinger equation can be solved by separation of variables in position and time we have a time-independent SE and write ##\psi (\vec r, t) = \phi(\vec r) T(t)##.

If, furthermore, ##\phi(\vec r) ## can also be factored into a depends on ##|\vec r|## only, such as for the hydrogen atom, we can write ##\psi (\vec r, t) = R(|\vec r|) F(\phi)P(\theta) T(t)##.

Could that be the R you are referring to ? Then why not say so !​
For the hydrogen atom example, in the ground state the angular part is constant and

The radial probability density then only depends on ##\vec r|## and simplifies to ## \displaystyle {dP\over dr} = R(|\vec r|)^2 \; 4\pi r^2##
The most probable value for ##|\vec r|## is where ##\displaystyle {dP\over dr}{dP\over dr} = 0##

The expectation value for ##|\vec r|##, which is ##<|\vec r|> = \int \psi^* r psi d^3r ## then simplifies to ##<|\vec r|> = \int r \displaystyle {dP\over dr}{dP\over dr} dr ##​

Perhaps studying this example can help you soting out the subtle differences ?
 
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it was just that i had been reading a book on physical chemistry where there were 3 graphs related to Schrödinger wave equation.
the first one was a graph of ' R vs r' of different orbitals( plot of radial wave function).
the second was of R^2 vs r(plot of radial probability density).
the third one was of " 4πr^2R^2 vs r " (plot of radial probability function).
the plots of the second one and third one mismatched drastically despite the fact that they both depict the radial probability.
all i know is that the first graph depicts the amplitude of the electron wave as a function of 'r'.
talking about the second and third graphs, especially what they talk about 1s orbital, the second one shows that as r tends to zero, R^2 tends to infinity whereas in the third one, 4πr^2R^2 tends to 0.
mathematically, i understood the plot. but what do both the graphs actually depict?
 

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