Is the Radius of Curvature of the Universe Constant Over Time?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the nature of the radius of curvature of the universe and whether it remains constant over time or varies with redshift. Participants explore theoretical models and implications of cosmological parameters, particularly focusing on the parameter Omega and its influence on curvature estimates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the radius of curvature of the universe is constant throughout its lifetime or if it needs adjustment based on redshift.
  • Another participant uses a balloon analogy to describe how the radius changes with distance and redshift, suggesting that there is no fixed center or constant radius.
  • A different participant estimates the current radius of curvature based on the parameter Omega, proposing that if Omega is around 1.01, the radius is approximately 130 billion light-years and is increasing very slowly.
  • This participant also discusses the implications of a perfectly flat universe, which would have an infinite radius of curvature, and notes that current data does not rule out this possibility.
  • They further elaborate on calculations involving the Hubble distance and how variations in Omega affect the estimated radius of curvature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the radius of curvature is constant or variable, with no consensus reached on the nature of the universe's curvature or the implications of the parameter Omega.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge uncertainties in measurements of Omega and the limitations of current data in determining the curvature of the universe.

Niles
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Hi all.

Is the radius of curvature of a Universe-model constant through-out the Universes' lifetime? Or does this have to be adjusted depending on the redshift we are looking at?
 
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Niles maybe I can take a shot at that. If you take the universe as a balloon with galaxys on the skin and enlarge it the radius changes and varies with the distance the light has traveled. That is a 3D solution to a 4D problem. Now there is no radius as there is no center as such but you can say to the center of my brain the radius changes with the red shift. Please don't curse me as I do think simple thoughts.

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Niles said:
Hi all.

Is the radius of curvature of a Universe-model constant through-out the Universes' lifetime?

We can only estimate the current radius of curvature based on the current measurement of the parameter Omega.

If the true value of Omega (at the present moment) is 1.01 then the average radius of curvature (using the standard cosmology model) is about 130 billion lightyears.

The radius of curvature, if it is finite, is increasing at the rate of 1/140 of a percent every million years. That is, very slowly.

A perfectly flat universe would have infinite radius of curvature. We cannot exclude this case. When Omega is measured, you get an error bar of uncertainty, around 1.01. If, for example, it turned out that Omega was exactly 1.0, then the universe would be spatially flat and have infinite radius of curvature. It's possible. The data is not good enough to rule that out.

But if you choose to imagine that the universe is NOT exactly spatially flat, and that it has a slight overall positive curvature (like with the balloon analog) then spatially it is the 3D analog of a 2D sphere surface. And then, with the kind of best estimate 1.01 figure for Omega the radius of curvature will turn out to be around 130 billion.

That means the circumference is about 800 billion. If you could instantaneously travel 800 billion lightyears then at this very moment you could go off in a straight line and end up back in the same place. In practice such a circuit would be impossible because the universe is all the while expanding and you can only travel finite velocity.
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In case you want to do the numbers. the presentday Hubble distance is c/H = 14 billion lightyears.
You start with the current Hubble parameter H and you calculate that c/H
Then you divide that by sqrt(Omega - 1)

Taking Omega to be 1.01, that is sqrt( 0.01) = 0.1

So you are dividing the Hubble distance by about 0.1. That should give 140 billion
but when I include a little more accuracy and do it more carefully, I get closer to 130 billion.
(the best fit Omega is more like 1.011, the presentday Hubble distance is not quite 14 billion etc etc)
 
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Thanks all - very nice replies indeed!
 

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