Replace traditional toggle lever with magnetic cylinders

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The discussion centers on the potential replacement of a traditional mechanical toggle lever system in a packaging machinery project with magnetic cylinders. Participants explore the feasibility of using electromagnets to lift a heavy bed, the design considerations involved, and the implications for maintenance and longevity of the machinery.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the current mechanical system, emphasizing its proven reliability and low maintenance over decades.
  • Another participant questions the space and cooling requirements for electromagnets, suggesting that the benefits of eliminating moving parts and reducing friction could be significant.
  • A participant expresses skepticism about achieving the desired longevity of 50-100 years with an electrically controlled system, noting that such systems typically require more maintenance.
  • There is a discussion about the possibility of custom-building magnets and the formulas needed to determine electrical and mechanical requirements for such a design.
  • One participant suggests that while custom magnets offer design freedom, the need for control circuitry and sensors could introduce reliability issues and increase costs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and reliability of using electromagnets compared to traditional mechanical systems. There is no consensus on the best approach or the expected longevity of the proposed design.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations regarding the assumptions about the performance and maintenance of electromagnets, as well as the need for control systems that may affect reliability.

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Hi there,
Currently I'm working on a complicated project. I work for a packaging machinery company.

The machine I'm currently working on has a critical section which you would call the 'the heart'.
Here we move a 800KG (1700 Pounds) bed up and down by 50mm (2 inches). On the bottom of this bed we have four points of lifting attached to 4 levers. These levers are then attached to a crankshaft by means of connecting rods. This system is patented and proven since the 60s.

We'd like to replace this system by using magnetic pressure on these four points.

My main question, are there magnetic coils already in the industry than can lift this weight?. Also what would be the response time generally ?.

Thanks
 
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The weight of your 'heart' is not a problem.
What matters is how much space there is for the electromagnets with their power and cooling lines and how short the cycle time is expected to be.
What benefits do you hope to get from this design change? Eliminate lubrication requirements, reliability, flexibility?
 
No issues, eliminate moving parts

This machine section we're building has a life expectancy of around 50 years, with minimum maintenance such as oil changes. Our competitors make the same unit and have a life of around 100 to 120 years. We even checked the pins suspending the top bed of a 87 year old machine, not a scratch. We'd like to achieve the same.
This change will have minimum friction, very less noise, electrically controlled movement of the bed increasing precision. Space is not an issue.
Power consumption , cooling requirements etc are not an issue since this will just be a prototype. I now assume electromagnets are not available for this requirement. I f we had to custom build these magnets, what formulas could we use to determine electrical and mechanical requirements ?

Here's a link of the existing design - http://www.google.co.in/patents?id=mmplAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

Part 22 of FIG 1 is the massive bed we're trying to move vertically with electromagnets.
 
The concern re space, power and cooling was because the coils are not small and if the press is to cycle at a decent clip, there will be some heating as the magnets are turned on and off multiple times per minute.
The improvements sought seem quite realistic, although the 'electrically controlled movement of the bed' aspect is an expensive item. It is a lot cheaper to just size the magnets to push or pull the heart with a certain force, essentially give it a shove, than it is to modulate that force over time to precisely control the movement of the heart. That is more a linear motor action than just an impulse, so control circuitry and sensors will be needed, which introduces potential sources of failure. I don't know of such setups having anywhere close to the 50-100 year longevity you are seeking without periodic maintenance.
 
Custom

Is there any way we could custom build the magnets, using set formulas for current and force ?
 
You can build your own magnets and you have lots of design freedom. Simplest is probably to just pull the heart against its die by having the levers serve as cores pulled into electromagnetic coils, but there are lots of other approaches. The specifics depend on how often the system cycles and how much control you want over the force with which the heart meets the die. Do note that introducing controls requires adding sensors, which reduces reliability and increases cost.
 

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