Residue field of p-adic integers

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The discussion revolves around the residue field of p-adic integers, specifically examining the relationship between the quotient \mathbb{Z}_{(p)}/p\mathbb{Z}_{(p)} and \mathbb{Z}/p\mathbb{Z}. Participants explore definitions, properties, and implications of these mathematical structures.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to prove that \mathbb{Z}_{(p)}/p\mathbb{Z}_{(p)} is equal to \mathbb{Z}/p\mathbb{Z}, suggesting a potential misunderstanding of the structures involved.
  • Another participant challenges the initial definition of \mathbb{Z}_{(p)} as not being the p-adic integers, implying a need for clarity on definitions.
  • A participant proposes that the quotient \mathbb{Z}_{(p)}/p\mathbb{Z}_{(p)} can be shown to be a field containing p elements, which could support the claim.
  • There is mention of a map from \mathbb{Z}_{(p)} onto \mathbb{Z}/p\mathbb{Z} with a kernel of p\mathbb{Z}_{(p)}, indicating a potential pathway to understanding the relationship between the two structures.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about how \mathbb{Z}_{(p)}/p\mathbb{Z}_{(p)} can equal \mathbb{Z}/p\mathbb{Z}, noting that the former seems to contain more elements than the latter.
  • One participant clarifies that \mathbb{Z}_{(p)}/p\mathbb{Z}_{(p)} contains only p elements, suggesting that the two structures are not equal but may be isomorphic depending on definitions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the definitions and properties of \mathbb{Z}_{(p)} and its quotient. There is no consensus on whether \mathbb{Z}_{(p)}/p\mathbb{Z}_{(p)} is equal to or merely isomorphic to \mathbb{Z}/p\mathbb{Z>.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding definitions and the implications of their mathematical reasoning. The discussion highlights the complexity of the relationship between the structures involved and the need for precise definitions.

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In the field of rationals [itex]\mathbb{Z}_{(p)}[/itex] (rationals in the ring of the p-adic integers), how is it possible to prove the residue field [itex]\mathbb{Z}_{(p)}/p\mathbb{Z}_{(p)}[/itex] is equal to [itex]\mathbb{Z}/p\mathbb{Z}[/itex] ?

I've narrowed it down to [itex]\mathbb{Z}_{(p)}/p\mathbb{Z}_{(p)} = \left\{ a/b\in\mathbb{Q} : p\nmid a, p \nmid b \right\}[/itex], but can't seem to make the last step...

Or maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree. Hmm...
 
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How did you define [itex]\mathbb{Z}_{(p)}[/itex]?
 
I defined [itex]\mathbb{Z}_{(p)}[/itex] to be

[itex]\mathbb{Z}_{(p)} = \left\{\frac{a}{b}\in\mathbb{Q}:p\nmid b\right\}[/itex].
 
That aren't the p-adic integers...

Anyway, you could prove that the quotient is a field that contains p elements. That shows it.
 
There's a really obvious map from Z_(p) onto Z/pZ whose kernel is pZ_(p). Hint: if p doesn't divide b, then b is a unit in Z/pZ.
 
Thanks morphism. I'm not particularly up on group/ring theory etc. However, I am learning!

From what I understand from your response, we seek a map from [itex]\mathbb{Z}_{(p)}[/itex] to [itex]\mathbb{Z}/p\mathbb{Z} = \left\{0,1,\ldots,p-1\right\}[/itex]. By kernel I think you mean the subset of [itex]\mathbb{Z}_{(p)}[/itex] that maps to the zero element in [itex]\mathbb{Z}/p\mathbb{Z}[/itex]. So the kernel is [itex]p\mathbb{Z}_{(p)}[/itex], i.e. the set of all rationals in [itex]\mathbb{Z}_{(p)}[/itex] such that [itex]p[/itex] divides the numerator. I think one of the things I'm finding difficult is to understand how [itex]\mathbb{Z}_{(p)}/p\mathbb{Z}_{(p)}[/itex] can equal [itex]\mathbb{Z}/p\mathbb{Z}[/itex] (the set with [itex]p[/itex] elements) since [itex]\mathbb{Z}_{(p)}/p\mathbb{Z}_{(p)}[/itex] actually contains not p elements but a whole load of rationals such that p does not divide numerator or denominator. So how can we say they are equal when one contains fractions and the other p integers?

I'm beginning to think that [itex]\mathbb{Z}_{(p)}/p\mathbb{Z}_{(p)} = \mathbb{Z}/p\mathbb{Z}[/itex] because if we take all elements in [itex]\mathbb{Z}_{(p)}[/itex] and modulo (congruence?) them to [itex]p\mathbb{Z}_{(p)}[/itex], the very basic set of resulting elements that results is [itex]\mathbb{Z}/p\mathbb{Z}[/itex]. Is this along the right/wrong lines?
 
Z_(p)/pZ_(p) contains only p elements. Think about Z/pZ: Z is infinite, but Z/pZ only has p elements in it.

I think your problem is stemming from the fact that you're trying to show that Z_(p)/pZ_(p) and Z/pZ are equal, when they're not (well, depending on your definition of Z/pZ). They're "isomorphic".
 

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